Re: [RBW] Re: 25th Anniversary not-meeting, Entmoot, Fellowship of the Rigs, get together and ho-down

On 1/2/19, Justin, Oakland wrote: > Philip- > Yeah it’s shaping up to be July at Samuel P Taylor. Gives lots of to-and-fro > route options, camping, assorted trail shenanigans and is civilized enough > for non-biking partners and kids to join. > > I agree on Diablo. It sounds nice until you look a

[RBW] Re: Another Riv Financial Situation Thread

"I remember when “Ever Since 1994” was a joke! " Now we could say "Producing fine bikes & accessories since the 20th century" dougP On Tuesday, January 1, 2019 at 11:25:58 AM UTC-8, Philip Williamson wrote: > > It is 100% time to get that 25 year Riv party rolling. > I remember when “Ever Sinc

[RBW] Re: 25th Anniversary not-meeting, Entmoot, Fellowship of the Rigs, get together and ho-down

Philip- Yeah it’s shaping up to be July at Samuel P Taylor. Gives lots of to-and-fro route options, camping, assorted trail shenanigans and is civilized enough for non-biking partners and kids to join. I agree on Diablo. It sounds nice until you look at it in the summer without sunglasses and

[RBW] Re: FotR: A Time for Gathering

There’s also some natural ways to create 4 quadrants on A bandana. Maybe a quadrant for bikes, wool/clothes, ephemera and lastly staff drawings. Big RIV XXV Made of axe handles and Manny-spoons in the middle? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Own

[RBW] 3 day SF bike tour routes sought (Roadini)

Hi all, I'm packing up my Roadini later this month and throwing it on Alaska Air to get out of NY and do a short tour from SF. We're seeking advice on beautiful routes for a 3 day, 2 night credit-card tour, no camping this time, that starts and ends in San Fransisco - this seems like the gro

[RBW] Re: 25th Anniversary not-meeting, Entmoot, Fellowship of the Rigs, get together and ho-down

Thanks for setting up the surveys, Justin. Brilliant. I read the choices as a continuum of "No - Tolerate - Meh - Yes." Samuel P Taylor looks like the clear winner, whichever way I weight the responses. It's pretty nice out there. Lots of nice cheeses out there, cooler in summer (the big issue

[RBW] Re: FotR: A Time for Gathering

Philip wondered: “What would be on a semi-intricate 25 year bandanna design?” A bicycle paisly, of course, shaped as a 25. As 2 and 5 are mirror images of each other, 25 appearing in 4 quadrants? Or rotated 45˚ in each quarter? With abandon, Patrick -- You received this message because you ar

[RBW] Re: FotR: A Time for Gathering

I like the *25* as a 'macro' design. The paisleys could be little drawings of every single bike model Riv ever made? Hatchets? Soap? Grundens hats? :^) Maybe they've already done that. I like that RIV has roman numerals in the name, too: RIV XXV Pattern design is not my thing (anti my thing),

[RBW] Re: What if Rivendell brought back paid memberships?

When I lived near RBWHQ, a weekend ride often included a stop and purchases of small items. If I needed small things, such as cables, housing, tubes, I'd pop over there. I miss those opportunities now to support Riv in that fashion, and of course, ride a bike and talk to Harry or Will, Mark, Gra

[RBW] Re: FotR: A Time for Gathering

That would be really fun. I'm very happy to collaborate on the idea/design/production, too. I think a bandanna would be very good. What would be on a semi-intricate 25 year bandanna design? Philip Santa Rosa, CA On Wednesday, January 2, 2019 at 6:36:18 PM UTC-8, Jim M. wrote: > > Phillip de

[RBW] Re: Another Riv Financial Situation Thread

Grant I have a BS in Finance and an MBA in Finance. I would not feel the least bit qualified to run your wonderful business. My kudos to you! (Owner of 6 Rivendells) Chris -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe fr

[RBW] Re: FotR: A Time for Gathering

Phillip designed a killer t-shirt for the last gathering. I hope he feels so inspired again! jim m walnut creek, ca On Wednesday, January 2, 2019 at 3:20:04 PM UTC-8, Philip Williamson wrote: > > Looks like July, so far. Works for me. > 8 "bells on," 5 "no bells, but I'll be there." > >> >> -

[RBW] Re: Another Riv Financial Situation Thread

We "crowdsourced" store credits---not donations--- at a critical time for us, and if you contributed and haven't bought anything, your credit remains on the books. We've never asked for outright donations, and I wouldn't do that. Many businesses--from wholesalers like Trek, etc---and virtually a

[RBW] Re: Four framesets for sale, so I can buy one.

It appears there will be a match for Jamison on the Rosco Bubbe step-through. The other three remain available. Bill On Wednesday, January 2, 2019 at 2:36:52 PM UTC-8, jamison brosseau wrote: > > Sent PM on rosco bubbe mixte. > > On Wednesday, January 2, 2019 at 4:44:32 PM UTC-5, Bill Lindsay

Re: [RBW] Re: Another Riv Financial Situation Thread

Yeah, well the great ones perhaps have a different understanding of just what is capital. Because in the 70s, with the advent of spreadsheets and the enormous population increase in MBAs and bankers, everyone had to have this new thing, ‘a business plan’, because for funding or a bank loan for

[RBW] Re: FotR: A Time for Gathering

Looks like July, so far. Works for me. 8 "bells on," 5 "no bells, but I'll be there." On Wednesday, January 2, 2019 at 10:16:06 AM UTC-8, Justin, Oakland wrote: > > [image: Google Forms] > Let’s get a gauge on the months when people would be available and want to > get this together. 4 point s

Re: [RBW] Re: Another Riv Financial Situation Thread

Picking up on Jim M's. post about Riv's recurring need to generate quick cash, the early Rivendell Readers speak volumes about the often precarious financial state of the company. Remarkably frank and open, they read like a diary. Grant has also had to stave off lots of negative chatter over the

[RBW] FS- Tigr Mini lock. Sea to Summit liner

both of these are newish. removed from packaging, but never actually used... well i used the lock on one ride. Tigr mini titanium lock- comes with 2 keys/code. i dont know where i put the bracket for mounting it to bottle cage bosses. Its a cool lock. 1lb, decently secure and way easier to use

Re: [RBW] Re: Another Riv Financial Situation Thread

I read it as well Patrick and it wasn't very gloomy. My singular New Year's resolution was to be in one word generous. I feel it surprisingly covers a lot of bases. Now to look for something from Riv. Perhaps something I can give someone... -- You received this message because you are subscr

[RBW] Re: Four framesets for sale, so I can buy one.

Sent PM on rosco bubbe mixte. On Wednesday, January 2, 2019 at 4:44:32 PM UTC-5, Bill Lindsay wrote: > > Front Story. Four of my framesets are for sale. Complete bikes or > partial builds can be discussed. I'm 5'10" with a 75.5cm Saddle height. > 86cm PBH. > > 1. 58cm Gunnar singlespeed. I

Re: [RBW] Re: Another question related to gift certificates

Thank you -- good to know! On Wed, Jan 2, 2019 at 3:18 PM sameness wrote: > Per RBW's site , it's $4.00 for > USPS First Class if the order is under $40.00 and weighs less than a pound; > otherwise, it's $12.00 for UPS Ground. > > Jeff Hagedorn > Los Angel

Re: [RBW] Re: Another Riv Financial Situation Thread

That's very interesting. I have written some top-level marketing executive resumes, and none of them have even remotely considered, afaik, this sort of capital; the very idea was, per all the data I got from them, entirely alien to their mindsets. But of course, for this sort of capital, you have t

[RBW] Re: Another question related to gift certificates

Per RBW's site , it's $4.00 for USPS First Class if the order is under $40.00 and weighs less than a pound; otherwise, it's $12.00 for UPS Ground. Jeff Hagedorn Los Angeles, CA USA > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google

[RBW] Another question related to gift certificates

It has been a while since I ordered from Rivendell. I placed an order today for several small and compact items in addition to the certificate, and it looks as if shipping is a straight $12 for every order: is that right, even for, say, $25 worth of cables, fender stay QRs, Irish Straps, and so for

Re: [RBW] Naif question about gift card

Thanks. As usual, "just read the instructions" -- something I often fail to do. On Wed, Jan 2, 2019 at 10:25 AM Justin, Oakland wrote: > Or better yet the product page tells you: > “A gift certificate to be used in our store — be it for yourself, a > friend, loved one, or whomever. Upon purchase

[RBW] Re: What if Rivendell brought back paid memberships?

Nobody wants to hear the A word in a discussion like this, but basically some lugged, friction-shifted version of Amazon Prime whereby, for an annual fee, there are benefits such as free or reduced shipping, access to special pre-sales, or whatever. I can hear Walnut Creek groaning in their Gra

[RBW] WTB: Ritchey Logic Double Crankset, 110 BCD/170mm

What better way to blow my No More Parts for 2019 resolution than a WTB listing? Looking for a Ritchey Logic crankset, double 110 BCD, 170 in length (though I could probably make 172.5 work). I'm specifically after this Sugino-made crankset

[RBW] Re: What if Rivendell brought back paid memberships?

Without doing any minimal research myself, I feel like there was a reason they stopped doing them and wrote about it somewhere or another. My guess is there was a sound reason which probably still holds true. Part of it is probably a system to manage it (like w/ the points/gift certificate thing

[RBW] Four framesets for sale, so I can buy one.

Front Story. Four of my framesets are for sale. Complete bikes or partial builds can be discussed. I'm 5'10" with a 75.5cm Saddle height. 86cm PBH. 1. 58cm Gunnar singlespeed. It's 58cm to the top of the seat clamp. The effective horizontal top tube length is 57cm center to center. 130mm

[RBW] Re: Mismatched tires

Most bikes do have slightly more clearance in the fork than the chainstays - not sure about the Clem. Henry Kingman had a larger rear tire on his loaded Quickbeam tour of Nevada. 38mm vs 32 on the front. http://notfine.com/rivreader/RR37.pdf (page 8) Thinking about it, putting the fatter tire

[RBW] Re: What if Rivendell brought back paid memberships?

Great suggestions! Bill S > > > 1. You will definitely go through 6 inner tubes of size X in the next year or > two.  Buy six inner tubes (or other consumables) from Rivendell.   > 2. When it's time to wrap a handlebar, it's really fun to grab two or three > random colors from a box full of Ne

Re: [RBW] Re: Another Riv Financial Situation Thread

Hi Patrick - my business was not dissimilar to Riv - was in non-essential / luxury consumer materials for interior design use; one of the first 'green materials' companies in that niche. I had / am suggesting less a positive attitude, though that's a way to put it (and i'm gloomy like Grant, s

[RBW] Re: Another Riv Financial Situation Thread

Well here we are again. I was in on the last buy a certificate and never used it. I'm in a place where I don't really need anything from Riv these days unless they chose to produce a Saluki that takes 48mm tires plus fenders and comes with center pulls. In regards to the notion of Riv closing

[RBW] Re: Another Riv Financial Situation Thread

On Wednesday, January 2, 2019 at 10:47:38 AM UTC-8, Wayne Naha wrote: > > I know my wife blanched at the cost of my Clem, and said that was more > money than she had ever thought a (not-racing) bike could cost. That's a > tough attitude to overcome. > Yup, non-cyclists have no clue as to

[RBW] Merry Christmastide and Happy Hogmanay

I also always enjoy your photos Patrick. Thanks for sharing. Paul in Dallas -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bu

[RBW] Re: Another Riv Financial Situation Thread

On Wednesday, January 2, 2019 at 12:22:30 AM UTC-8, DadDadDaddio wrote: > > I'm not a Riv lifer ... I bought my Clem L a year ago ... so take this for > whatever its worth. > > Welcome to the club/cult/gaggle/pod... Grant has been making occasional requests for liquidity help since their first y

[RBW] Re: Another Riv Financial Situation Thread

I will gladly buy a Rivendell gift certificate now, and spend it later, if that's what they need. Rivendell is a quirky company, that has quirky needs and quirky customers like me. It breaks my heart to think of Rivendell closing their doors for good. I probably would not be bicycling today

[RBW] FotR: A Time for Gathering

I've invited you to fill out the following form: FotR: A Time for Gathering To fill it out, visit: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSem8o99W_1Ui32rP1QHlJwacM8LltIqpez6MP0X_-V2LL-eRg/viewform?vc=0&c=0&w=1&usp=mail_form_link Let’s get a gauge on the months when people would be available an

Re: [RBW] Re: Another Riv Financial Situation Thread

It's not fundraising, Riv is not a charity. You're either paying for bikes/parts now, or buying credit for same later. A concept which has completely eluded some folks at Paceline. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubs

[RBW] Re: Mismatched tires

Grant's Sam had 38mm front and 40mm rear. My mountain bike (Salsa El Mariachi) and many others use a slightly larger front tire for traction in turns. Larger rear means better traction while ascending. Enjoy those fatish tires =) On Tuesday, 1 January 2019 06:49:11 UTC-8, Jim S. wrote: > > H

[RBW] Re: Fellowship of the Rigs

Lots of good ideas for other sites for gathering. I’m going to create a new poll tonight to gauge interest in a specific site. -J -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails fro

[RBW] Re: FS: Burley Piccolo trailercycle plus front wheel and extra rack

I'm 3+ years from being able to use this with my daughter, but what an interesting idea to convert it to a "normalish" bike after using as a trailer! I had to look up some photos to understand how it worked, REI has some good ones: https://www.rei.com/product/843751/burley-plus-conversion-kit

Re: [RBW] Re: Another Riv Financial Situation Thread

On Wednesday, January 2, 2019 at 7:24:05 AM UTC-8, Patrick Moore wrote: > > There is less in the Rivendell product line now that interests me, > compared to 15 or 20 years ago -- part of that is simply that, with age, > you accumulate most of what you need or want -- but I still very much want

[RBW] Naif question about gift card

Or better yet the product page tells you: “A gift certificate to be used in our store — be it for yourself, a friend, loved one, or whomever. Upon purchase, you'll receive an email with a unique code which can be used a check out (or multiple) until the balance reaches zero.” Via: https://www.ri

[RBW] Naif question about gift card

I would email i...@rivbike.com to ask. -J -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this gr

[RBW] Naif question about gift card

How can I transfer my card to someone, as a gift? Can I just forward the email? Tx. -- ** *Still 'round the corner there may waitA new road or a secret gate,And though we pass them by today,Tomorrow we ma

[RBW] Re: What if Rivendell brought back paid memberships?

I think it is really cool how so many people have warm feelings towards Rivendell Bicycle Works, and it's touching to see how those warm feelings manifest in a motivation to help Rivendell thrive as a business. Please don't take this the wrong way, but it is my personal opinion that Rivendell

Re: [RBW] Re: Another Riv Financial Situation Thread

That is very interesting. What was your business? And, as a marketing consultant who thinks Rivendell's marketing skill and model is a huge asset, what would you recommend to Rivendell for getting through the crunch (besides the positive attitude)? On Wed, Jan 2, 2019 at 7:36 AM M G wrote: > I’

Re: [RBW] Re: Another Riv Financial Situation Thread

Originally, RIv's product line was in good part NOS old stuff -- Dia Compe single pivots, friction dt shifters, Valentino front derailleurs, and so on; I was part of the market, which was at least in good part defined by the "it's been proven and it's good enough, why mess with it" value. I rather

Re: [RBW] Re: Another Riv Financial Situation Thread

I'm in. On Tue, Jan 1, 2019 at 12:04 PM Jim M. wrote: > ... > Speaking of which, isn't it about time to start organizing a 25th > Anniversary Party? > > jim m > walnut creek, ca > > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To uns

Re: [RBW] Re: Another Riv Financial Situation Thread

Years ago -- about Year 5 or 7 Anno Rivendellii -- Grant famously remarked, "We are product driven, not market driven" by which he meant (I am sure) that the company's purpose is to sell neat and good (= interesting and useful) things. Justin is right; on the conventional business model you'd kick

[RBW] Re: Another Riv Financial Situation Thread

Those people on that forum don't seem like the target market for a company that pushes an Unracer philosophy...I don't think they really get Rivendell as a company. The gift certificate stuff has been going on since I've known about Rivendell; it's nothing really new. I take issue with the thoug

[RBW] Re: Another Riv Financial Situation Thread

I’m a Riv owner since the early 00s, and currently have a custom painted Glorious and a HHH tandem, both bought from Riv. And i sold my Saluki, #1 it might have been, which i bought from the list around 2006. Here are my thoughts re what from the exterior seems the wrong way to get the

[RBW] Re: What if Rivendell brought back paid memberships?

They could count me in on that one as well, and if it came with a new paper reader (maybe once a year) well all the better! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, s

[RBW] Re: Another Riv Financial Situation Thread

i too think paying $20 for a gift certificate after a slow month is a small ask. in addition to enjoying the blahg, the film photos, the koolaid, i'm also glad to know that when i do need a part or a goop or an odd or an end or even something to read, riv probably has it and it's probably one w

[RBW] FS: 58 Hunqapillar F/F/HS/SP

SOLD -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@goo

[RBW] Re: What if Rivendell brought back paid memberships?

Justin, that looks like a cool option! And might be a nice experiment for us too! Thanks for the heads up... -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email t

[RBW] Re: Another Riv Financial Situation Thread

I'm perfectly happy riding with what some may call "old" stuff. Old just how "old" is the present -at-hand anyways ? No joke. I like that at least smeone else likes "old" stuff at-hand also. The present-at-hand has never worn out and never will. Just because there is other stuff call

[RBW] Re: FS: Woolrich coat and pants-new photos added

I note, now, having surpassed 300 lookers but no inquiries about this offer; I'm wondering if there is maybe an issue contacting me using the private messaging link. My e-mail is docbutch...@gmail.com if you'd like to contact me. Steve On Tuesday, January 1, 2019 at 11:01:05 AM UTC-6, Steve B

[RBW] Re: Another Riv Financial Situation Thread

I'm not a Riv lifer ... I bought my Clem L a year ago ... so take this for whatever its worth. I was attracted to Riv by the design and packaging of my Clem. I was looking for a well-built, simple bike with a steel frame that I could use for commuting and light trail use. I absolutely love my b