[RBW] Re: Atlantis now redundant?

That's interesting, because with t he 51, the front center stays the same, at 606. But with the next two sizes, the tt changes, but so does the front center. So in the 55cm, Old tt, 59.7, new, 61.5. Old fc, 627.4., new 645. Similar changes with the geo of the 58 size, where the tt length change

Re: [RBW] Re: Atlantis now redundant?

Not that I know for sure but I am guessing it is actual vs effective. That said, having two different numbers out there can be confusing unless you are paying pretty close attention. I was looking at the 58cm Appaloosa figures the other night and noticed the 59.7 vs. 61.5 top tube lengths given.

[RBW] Re: Atlantis now redundant?

Did the top tube length change on the 2017 Appaloosa? In the old chart (attached) the 51cm model says Top Tube of "56.5cm", the new chart shows the Top tube as "57.5". Or is this just a matter of effective vs actual? https://www.rivbike.com/pages/geometry vs

[RBW] Re: Atlantis now redundant?

It's just nice to have choices. :-) On Wednesday, March 1, 2017 at 11:07:18 PM UTC-5, Reid wrote: > > Just read the latest Blug that goes on about the Appaloosa. Seems to make > the case that the Appaloosa is better for touring in many cases than the > Atlantis, and better for a wider variety of

Re: [RBW] Re: Atlantis now redundant?

" So a new bike would be redundant." you say that like it's a bad thing. *N-PLUS-ONE!!!* On Wednesday, March 8, 2017 at 11:29:42 AM UTC-8, dougP wrote: > > I'll second that. Whenever I yearn for a new bike, I can never think of > anything that I do that my Atlantis can't handle (granted, my de

Re: [RBW] Re: Atlantis now redundant?

I'll second that. Whenever I yearn for a new bike, I can never think of anything that I do that my Atlantis can't handle (granted, my demands are not great). So a new bike would be redundant. BTW, Clayton, there's a list member in Canada who often posts photos from his snow camping S240s on h

Re: [RBW] Re: Atlantis now redundant?

Clayton, bravo to you! And a passionate case for the venerable Atlantis. Regards, Richard Sent from my iPhone > On Mar 7, 2017, at 8:51 PM, 'Clayton' via RBW Owners Bunch > wrote: > > Reid, > > BecauseIt's an Atlantis. If Grant quit selling the perfect bike, I would > have such an anxi

[RBW] Re: Atlantis now redundant?

Reid, BecauseIt's an Atlantis. If Grant quit selling the *perfect* bike, I would have such an anxiety attack, that it would be fatal. (He can't kill meHe has a conscience.) He can't quit selling them either, it would be like an ice cream store that didn't serve Rocky Road, or a pretty

[RBW] Re: Atlantis now redundant?

You retain the Atlantis because it is the seminal design that put Rivendell on the map. If you ride one you will get this. It's a great bike. On Wednesday, March 1, 2017 at 10:07:18 PM UTC-6, Reid wrote: > > Just read the latest Blug that goes on about the Appaloosa. Seems to make > the case t

Re: [RBW] Re: Atlantis now redundant?

I agree. The fact that it is a tig-welded bicycle is about the 87th thing I think of when looking at my Clementine. Which means I've never really thought of it as such. On Monday, March 6, 2017 at 2:30:50 PM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote: > > ...all the Riv bikes I've seen, in person and in photo,

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Patrick, I just sent the PDF that Grant posted. Check your email and see if you are able to open it. Ray Vallejo CA -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, sen

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I'm still curious how the ball-and-socket seat lug will be finished. Will the ball be brazed into the socket? Seems legit. On Mon, Mar 6, 2017 at 1:30 PM, Patrick Moore wrote: > Bill: where is all this info and display about the Roadini? I did too > look, and I still can't find it. > > How doe

Re: [RBW] Re: Atlantis now redundant?

Patrick Moore inquired about the brochure. He doesn't (can't?) view this google group on a web browser, so he doesn't have this entire thread conveniently laid out before him. Grant attached a pdf brochure to his post about 12 hours ago (Lob knows why he was up so late). It had no geometry

Re: [RBW] Re: Atlantis now redundant?

Bill: where is all this info and display about the Roadini? I did too look, and I still can't find it. How does the Roadini compare with the Roadeo: Tubing? Geometry? At just more than 1/3 of the Roadeo, it won't look as nice, but then all the Riv bikes I've seen, in person and in photo, look fa

Re: [RBW] Re: Atlantis now redundant?

The Roadini frame and fork for $800. That's an incredibly good price. And that new ball and socket seat lug! Gotta have it. Bill Lindsay El Cerrito, CA On Sunday, March 5, 2017 at 10:45:10 PM UTC-8, Grant @ Rivendell wrote: > > So far the plan is something like (by memory, I'm not at work) >

Re: [RBW] Re: Atlantis now redundant?

I have done all-dayers (~80 miles on mixed terrain) on albatross bars. Enjoyment all the way - no issues whatsoever. Hoping to do a 100 mile day this year. I haven't used it for multi-day long rides (i.e. touring use). On Monday, March 6, 2017 at 5:11:06 AM UTC, Matt B. wrote: > > +1 on drops b

[RBW] Re: Atlantis now redundant?

It's all about having the choice! Joe Appaloosa may cover the same functional range of the Atlantis, but that's not the end of the story. The Atlantis has a style and grace all it's own. The Appaloosa has it's own, too, but different. And that's the choice. An embarrassment of riches, perh

[RBW] Re: Atlantis now redundant?

COSIGNED! I just recently purchased an Atlantis, and having a choice was a wonderful thing. Also, everyone should just get an Atlantis. On Monday, March 6, 2017 at 9:11:39 AM UTC-5, Alex Wirth- Owner, Yellow Haus Bicycles wrote: > > Besides all the technical differencesthere's a *deep* and

[RBW] Re: Atlantis now redundant?

I had to check out the red to see. Red seems to be new--like, the 650B Hunqa sizes and the 65 Atlantis. That's another Venn diagram overlap functional problem. If we had room and money we could have bikes in stock all the time, all sizes and models -- kind of like what Surly's like, I imagine--

[RBW] Re: Atlantis now redundant?

Besides all the technical differencesthere's a *deep* and *abiding* appreciation that I have a choice between a MUSA frame and import frame with similar design considerations across the Riv spectrum. RBW is beyond unique in that respect. On Wednesday, March 1, 2017 at 11:07:18 PM UTC-5,

Re: [RBW] Re: Atlantis now redundant?

+1 on drops being more comfortable on all day rides, especially multiple consecutive all day rides. And especially Noodles :) On Sunday, March 5, 2017 at 9:21:15 PM UTC-5, RichS wrote: > > John, just my 2 cents but my Atlantis has drop bars and I've done all day > rides with no problem as I'm

Re: [RBW] Re: Atlantis now redundant?

John, just my 2 cents but my Atlantis has drop bars and I've done all day rides with no problem as I'm sure other Atlantis owners in the group have too. My limited experience with upright bars (Albatross) leads me to believe doing an all dayer would not be as comfortable but YMMV. Full disclosu

[RBW] Re: Atlantis now redundant?

Grant I agree with your points on JA vs Atlantis. I remember the Top Tube Ruse article and Mutton Chop Marv. Just 1 question: If you were riding 6 to 8 hours, would you take the JA with swept back bars and more upright position, or the Atlantis with drop bars even or slightly above saddle he

[RBW] Re: Atlantis now redundant?

Yes, in regard to tt length I gotta say the addition of the stack and reach give a much clearer picture for comparing frames. I was surprised to see how 2 seeminngly very different tt length frames could be so close in actual reach, so 3 cheers for the reach and stack listings☺ Really helpful to

[RBW] Re: Atlantis now redundant?

Grant: While you're fielding questions, what is the significance of frame sizes listed in red on the new geo charts? I realize they are new, but does this indicate they will be the only ones offered in the future, with the black ones as historical references? Doug Peterson On Sunday, March 5

[RBW] Re: Atlantis now redundant?

Grant, Will the Roadini come in a 68cm? JK. Thanks for all the great bike you have put out for us vertically challenged riders in the 100cm pbh range. You have provided a freedom, and returned that childlike existence to my riding career. Forever indebted to you, your vision, and RBW as a wh

[RBW] Re: Atlantis now redundant?

On the tube top question--- There is "on paper" length and "anatomical effect." On paper the Joe Ap is longer, but that means you ride a 9 instead of an 11 stem. And the higher bars possible with the Appa bring back them back toward you more and at the same time have a lengthening effect on you

[RBW] Re: Atlantis now redundant?

I know the overall capability of the Atlantis and the Appaloosa is nearly the same, at least their design was aimed in the same direction. That said, and referring to another thread here, the effective top tube on the JA is significantly longer than the effective TT on the Atlantis. There is

Re: [RBW] Re: Atlantis now redundant?

The 2017 Joe Ap forks are Atlantis-weight. The 2016s were between Sam and Atl. Both are strong.. On Sun, Mar 5, 2017 at 12:08 PM, Wayne Naha wrote: > From the Blug, on the premier of the Joe Appaloosa: > > > If it’s “half Sam, half Hunqa,” howzit different than an Atlantis? > > Boy, that’s a goo

[RBW] Re: Atlantis now redundant?

>From the Blug, on the premier of the Joe Appaloosa: If it’s “half Sam, half Hunqa,” howzit different than an Atlantis? Boy, that’s a good, tough question and the only way to answer it is with facts, so here they are: • Atlantis has a thicker/heavier duty fork. Even though we call the Atlan

[RBW] Re: Atlantis now redundant?

The Atlantis won't go away forever and never for long and maybe not at all, and redundancy has been our calling card and anchor all along...because Rivendell bikes are all good for more than one thing. How is a good commute bike different than a good touring bike? You might have historical highb

Re: [RBW] Re: Atlantis now redundant?

I originally built mine up with Albatross bars & it was great. I never considered drop bars, but I am sure it's great with drops. I like drop bars, but like a lot of people I rarely (if ever) ride in the drops! So to me it's sort of a waste, because I can still brake adequately most of the tim

Re: [RBW] Re: Atlantis now redundant?

You've just about covered the field! What is the current bar? Thanks, Richard On Friday, March 3, 2017 at 4:06:56 PM UTC-5, James Warren wrote: > > > On my 15+ year old Atlantis I've had the following: > > Drops > Mustache > Bullmoose > Straight mountain > Bosco > Albastache > Albatross > Bosco

Re: [RBW] Re: Atlantis now redundant?

That is an EPIC habitual-bar-swapper! APPROVE! On Friday, March 3, 2017 at 1:06:56 PM UTC-8, James Warren wrote: > > > On my 15+ year old Atlantis I've had the following: > > Drops > Mustache > Bullmoose > Straight mountain > Bosco > Albastache > Albatross > Bosco Bullmoose > > None were ditched

Re: [RBW] Re: Atlantis now redundant?

On my 15+ year old Atlantis I've had the following: Drops Mustache Bullmoose Straight mountain Bosco Albastache Albatross Bosco Bullmoose None were ditched due to lack of comfort. Most of the changing above was for fun and curiosity. Sent from my iPhone > On Mar 3, 2017, at 12:18 PM, Glen

[RBW] Re: Atlantis now redundant?

I've used both (with different stems) on my Appaloosa, too. The Noodle was a bit of a stretch to the drops, but I rarely ride there; the hoods and flats positions were great. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe

[RBW] Re: Atlantis now redundant?

This versatility is one big joy of the Atlantis, I have Noodle and Albatross setups for mine and switch from time to time and it just works, The Noodle with interrupter brake levers may be the best of both worlds. On Friday, March 3, 2017 at 11:33:33 AM UTC-7, dougP wrote: > > Interesting. Con

[RBW] Re: Atlantis now redundant?

Interesting. Conversely, I rode my Atlantis with drops for over a decade. When I began having hand issues, I changed over to upright bars, using the same stem. The bike still fits like a glove, and my hand issues are long gone. dougP On Thursday, March 2, 2017 at 10:08:30 PM UTC-8, Gossam

[RBW] Re: Atlantis now redundant?

Indeed. I was juggling between a Hilson and a Hillborne. Then an Atlantis popped up. I'd been wanting big rubber for years. One test ride. Game over. On Thursday, March 2, 2017 at 11:48:21 AM UTC-6, masmojo wrote: > > I've ridden both & they are both great bikes and depending on size & use >

[RBW] Re: Atlantis now redundant?

I can confirm that drop bars on a JA is a bad idea. It's why I'm selling mine. Riv tried to explain this to me prior to purchase but I thought I'd give it a try. Didn't work. They are different bikes and are meant to be set up differently. Expensive lesson. ;) On Thursday, March 2, 2017 at 8:02

[RBW] Re: Atlantis now redundant?

Of course they are redundant but they aren't the same. Look at the number of road racing bikes the big bike companies sell. Are they redundant? Yes but each is different enough to justify a separate model. The differences between them may appeal to one buyer or another. What's wrong with a lit

Re: [RBW] Re: Atlantis now redundant?

This is a Rivendell geek-out group having esoteric discussions about model overlap. The Atlantis marquee is a known quantity in touring bike circles, IMO. For that reason it's important to keep it. $0.02 On Thu, Mar 2, 2017 at 11:48 AM, masmojo wrote: > I've ridden both & they are both great

[RBW] Re: Atlantis now redundant?

I've ridden both & they are both great bikes and depending on size & use an Appaloosa may be perfect for you. I very nearly bought one, but was vasillating back and forth between that & a Hunqapillar. I was getting tripped up on the sizing when the Atlantis I bought came available & I realized i

[RBW] Re: Atlantis now redundant?

Atlantis is more size specific and can use drop bars. I just got an appaloosa, because after using the bosco and albatross bars, I don't think I would use drop bars on this type of bike On Wednesday, March 1, 2017 at 11:07:18 PM UTC-5, Reid wrote: > > Just read the latest Blug that goes on about

[RBW] Re: Atlantis now redundant?

Check out this current thread which includes a discussion of Appaloosa vs Atlantis: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/rbw-owners-bunch/SGTUAHh_npg The take home messages for me are (1) your choice of handlebar is an important consideration in choosing between the two and (2) if you want an

[RBW] Re: Atlantis now redundant?

I enjoyed that long description of the Joe on the Blug. A couple of favorite passages: *If you go about riding thinking there’s nothing you shouldn’t be able to conquer, you’ll eventually wreck something; so don’t think it’s you vs terrain. ... The woods aren’t your gym and hiking isn’t failur