Re: [RBW] Re: Do you Rapid Rise? (Share pics and thoughts)

Yes!!! It looks wonderful. How’re you liking the action/shifting? On Saturday, October 8, 2022 at 3:15:49 PM UTC-7 J Imler wrote: > [image: 2E786F40-6A76-461D-9773-2626E7E9D69E.jpeg] > HAD to have it. Necessitated a two pulley donor to be functional. > On Wednesday, September 28, 2022 at 7:44:20

Re: [RBW] Re: Do you Rapid Rise? (Share pics and thoughts)

Exactly right Eric, that photo shows the third pulley just disengaged because it’s in the tallest gear on the cassette and middle chainring. Less slack in the chain means the chain is pulling the derailer mechanism forward enough to disengage the third pulley. But when you shift down the third

Re: [RBW] Re: Do you Rapid Rise? (Share pics and thoughts)

Nice one, Pancake. Dang, those mechs are wild. Looks like the smallest pulley wheel isn't engaged in this position? On Wednesday, September 28, 2022 at 10:26:37 AM UTC-4 Pancake wrote: > [image: D7524129-0A85-4CDF-8977-5CB6316AF1EA.jpeg]Built up a Nishiki Bel > Air for my dad as a grocery gette

Re: [RBW] Re: Do you Rapid Rise? (Share pics and thoughts)

I was given one a Shimano XTR RD-M951 Rear Derailleur years ago. I installed on my bicycle. I rode it for a very very short time. I could not stand it whatsoever ! I changed it out. Gave it away. Kim Hetzel Yelm, WA. On Tuesday, September 27, 2022 at 3:56:36 PM UTC-7 Garth wrote: > I'd buy on

Re: [RBW] Re: Do you Rapid Rise? (Share pics and thoughts)

I'd buy one of those cool looking Suntour Rd's any day ! Man I miss Suntour stuff. I have no need or desire for a reverse direction RD though. On Tuesday, September 27, 2022 at 5:46:37 PM UTC-4 Luke Hendrickson wrote: > It’s super cool! > > On Tuesday, September 27, 2022 at 6:20:03 AM UTC-7 eri

Re: [RBW] Re: Do you Rapid Rise? (Share pics and thoughts)

Wow, Luke, I've never seen one of those. I had to check out Disraeli Gears for more info. "So what in heaven’s name is this? SunTour were wrestling with the demands of the new mountain bikes, with their triple ch

Re: [RBW] Re: Do you Rapid Rise? (Share pics and thoughts)

Thanks for sending the excerpts, Eric! Super interesting to read Grant’s thoughts so early on. That was the seed that led to him to the wild idea of designing and then manufacturing his own low normal RDs. On Monday, September 26, 2022 at 4:10:07 PM UTC-4 eric...@gmail.com wrote: > I was readin

Re: [RBW] Re: Do you Rapid Rise? (Share pics and thoughts)

Laing — Thanks for sharing that pic of the RH rear mech. I've seen it before but haven't read much about it. Are these supposed to offer great shifting, justifying their resurrection? Any chance they shift as well as a Suntour Cyclone? I'm sure I wouldn't be down for the cost. I remember the 80

Re: [RBW] Re: Do you Rapid Rise? (Share pics and thoughts)

I would definitely buy a Riv OM RD. No hesitation. I also have a hoard of low normal mechs. After I tried one and loved it, I went all in with almost every Shimano model I could find. Maybe too much all in! But I like having multiple redundant backups of things that work for me. I have sold so

Re: [RBW] Re: Do you Rapid Rise? (Share pics and thoughts)

My mechanical reasoning challenged mind does not get the apparently self evident "mechanically, logically, intuitively, low-normal/RapidRise derailers are better…" If I cared that my shifters both went the same way to get to a lower gear I would probably go to a reverse pull front derailleur t

Re: [RBW] Re: Do you Rapid Rise? (Share pics and thoughts)

Laing, I love the look of those mechs. The Le Tour, the Rally, and the new Record. With the drillium it does seem they're harkening back to the cages of the Shimano Crane. It almost looks like your picture is from their research files! Bill, I think you're right, we'd moan if we missed out. I

Re: [RBW] Re: Do you Rapid Rise? (Share pics and thoughts)

This demographic is the type that will handwring over the price while the part is available, and then bellyache when it is not available anymore, finally bemoaning "if they ever bring it back I would buy two!" :) It's what some people say about Paul rear derailers. They were what $350? They/

[RBW] Re: Do you Rapid Rise? (Share pics and thoughts)

It's a pricey piece. I may give one a shot to support RIvendell but it's a really tough sell when my $25 big pulley Altus rear shifts perfectly and kind of looks cool in it's cheapness. The fact that cheap derailers work as good as the expensive ones was hammered home by Grant for years. That s

[RBW] Re: Do you Rapid Rise? (Share pics and thoughts)

That cage looks too short to shift a 34t cassette, let alone my current 51t. I did try a bike with a rapid rise RD when I visited Rivendell. It feels kinda funny, but no doubt I'd get used to it. But the limited derailleur wrap would definitely rule it out for my use. On Saturday, September 24,

[RBW] Re: Do you Rapid Rise? (Share pics and thoughts)

Really hard to make ends meet with a 20% markup. With a 10% or 20% markup, you're more likely to be selling groceries than bikes. I would be discouraged too. Working hard and putting lots of resources behind a project you love - only to have it become impossible is really tough to deal with. R

Re: [RBW] Re: Do you Rapid Rise? (Share pics and thoughts)

Grant has said previously that no one local is interested, including Paul. I was more pointing out that I wouldn't be paying hundreds of dollars for anything made in China, and that the prices Grant was talking about definitely makes domestic production more attractive. There are lots of places in

Re: [RBW] Re: Do you Rapid Rise? (Share pics and thoughts)

I am sure a Paul made one would be well north of a grand. You might pay it but I would guess most of the regular world would not. Especially with cheap RR options available used. It's not like this is a product people are trying desperately to get. Its a product that Rivendell is going to have

Re: [RBW] Re: Do you Rapid Rise? (Share pics and thoughts)

$19k was for one cage plate. So, two cage plates, and what? four parts of the upper link? Probably well over $100k total in tooling. Bringing back rapid rise ain't worth it. Eric who has tried RR but doesn't see the point On Sat, Aug 27, 2022 at 2:02 AM brendonoid wrote: > A bit more concernin

[RBW] Re: Do you Rapid Rise? (Share pics and thoughts)

A bit more concerning in the blahg was that the tooling to make the non-cnc'd version was going to cost ~$19k? I suspect that would be a no go for proceeding. I sort of wish Paul or white industries or someone local would just do it for a crazy expensive price. At least it would be MUSA and you

[RBW] Re: Do you Rapid Rise? (Share pics and thoughts)

Yeah, I read the blog. The $345 would presumably be Riv's wholesale price, right? So... assuming a nominal retail markup of, say, 20%, the price would be ~$415 for the end user. No idea if there is a standard industry markup, and we know Rivendell marches to their own rhythm. A 10% markup woul

[RBW] Re: Do you Rapid Rise? (Share pics and thoughts)

Great pics, Ana, and yeah, those Nexaves are quite large! Did you all read the latest Blahg? Seems the prototypes are crazy expensive. They'll be CNC machined. Here's Grant's quote from the fabricators: "50 pieces. These will be made by CNC machining They will cost $345.5 USD each, tota