Re: [RBW] Re: Extreme Commuting--a checklist ride complete

YAY Sean! On Friday, June 1, 2018 at 8:08:59 AM UTC-7, Sean Kline wrote: > > Bill, Kellie and all: I’ve loved this thread. > > (Since I live near El Cerrito Plaza Bart and work near Civic Center BART, > I don’t have a good biking commute these days.) > > Inspired, I decided to bike 2.5 hours

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That’s amazing Sean! Here’s to taking the long way! Fantastic! BL in EC -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to

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Bill, glad u liked it! > On May 31, 2018, at 12:06 PM, Bill Lindsay wrote: > > I followed Kellie's lowland East Bay Route today. There's a fair bit of > stopping and meandering, and the crosswinds off the bay were quite strong > today, but it was a very cool alternative to my normal hill

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I followed Kellie's lowland East Bay Route today. There's a fair bit of stopping and meandering, and the crosswinds off the bay were quite strong today, but it was a very cool alternative to my normal hill route. There's a good stretch of gravel road where your are right next to the water of

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The Eastbay Skyline Trail is here: http://gurmeet.net/hiking/hikes/East_Bay_Skyline_National_Recreation_Trail.html Gives a lot of info about the trail divided into 4 sections from Wildcat Canyon Park in Richmond to Cabot Lake. All DIRT. I haven't ridden all of it, but if someone does please

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This has been a fun and interesting read. When I first started riding in my adulthood, I was living in Georgia and commuting to/from the EPA in Athens, GA. I think I went from a 20 minute driving commute to a 30 minute riding commute, since I could simply start riding through the quad at UGA.

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Kellie, It’s Piedmont. From campus I can take 11th up to Taylor and turn right toward the hills. It eventually becomes Mabury. A left on White later becomes Piedmont. That’s out near Alum Rock Park. It’ll take you as far as Jacklin which you can turn off and keep riding along the east

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Hey John: where's "the road that skirts along the base of the hills that surrounds the East Bay from San Jose up?" On Monday, May 14, 2018 at 11:24:34 AM UTC-7, Surlyprof wrote: > > Bill's post on extreme commuting prompted me to take the path less > ventured home last week. If I ride home

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Hi John: I thought of you when I heard about your experience down the Guadalupe. I used to ride that a lot when I lived on the peninsula. I feel sad to hear about the area for a lot of reasons. Let me know how you like it. > On May 18, 2018, at 9:02 PM, Surlyprof wrote: >

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This is fantastic! Thanks, Kellie. I live in Niles and have been looking for a good route up the bay. This looks perfect. John On Thursday, May 17, 2018 at 6:56:21 PM UTC-7, Kellie wrote: > > Justin, here's the link: https://ridewithgps.com/routes/27535193 > Fruitvale BART to Coyote

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Thanks for the route, Kellie I'll report back when I follow it. :-) BL in EC On Thursday, May 17, 2018 at 6:56:21 PM UTC-7, Kellie wrote: > > Justin, here's the link: https://ridewithgps.com/routes/27535193 > Fruitvale BART to Coyote Springs. Both Union City and Fremont BART not far > from

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Justin, here's the link: https://ridewithgps.com/routes/27535193 Fruitvale BART to Coyote Springs. Both Union City and Fremont BART not far from Coyote Springs. Coyote Springs is fun in and of itself. Crandall Creek trail is the termination at Coyote Springs but if you go the other way,

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Will post after the meeting I’m in… > On May 17, 2018, at 9:44 AM, Bill Lindsay wrote: > > I think that's essentially the Bay Trail. I really like climbing, but I have > done the Bay Trail route a few times. Not in the last 5 years, though > > Bill > >> On Thursday,

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I think that's essentially the Bay Trail. I really like climbing, but I have done the Bay Trail route a few times. Not in the last 5 years, though Bill On Thursday, May 17, 2018 at 9:12:20 AM UTC-7, Justin, Oakland wrote: > > Kellie- > What’s the route? Inquiring minds in a East Oakland want

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Kellie- What’s the route? Inquiring minds in a East Oakland want to know! Do you have a GPS or google map? -J -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email

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Bill: from your start ride to Union City Blvd. and cut in at Eden shores. >From there a NO CAR route, some of it gravel, all the way to High St. in Oakland. Depending on how many miles you want there's bailout Bart stations all the way to Richmond. The trail I'm suggesting skirts the Bay with

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It would be great to see you out there next racing season, J-Smooth. Maybe we can get Manny to show up as well representing Albany High. The final race of the year: California State Championships, is this weekend in Petaluma. Our most likely podium contenders from ECHS are Matt Garrison

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Bill- That’s a great idea. I will look into it for sure! Sadly she’s only 4.5 months - with great head control - so I’ve got at least another 4.5 months to go. I’m off all next school year tho with nearest return to work date being sept 2019. Plenty of time to bike with her! -J -- You

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I would add for Justin, get a child bike seat or a trailer. Start biking with your kid to all their activities, friend visits or to new parks. It is a fun way to explore and spend time together. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch"

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Justin asked: "How do I do a commute like this to my current job as a stay at home dad? " I doubt he meant it sincerely, but every smart aleck joke question has a kernel of truth or sincerity in it. So I'll answer as if Justin was sincerely asking. I think you should volunteer for Oakland

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I spend a considerable amount of time hiking these trails and ride them in small parts as well. This is, as most everything you do is, most impressive. Almost as impressive as Deacon P turning every thread into one about nutrition. ;) How do I do a commute like this to my current job as a stay

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APPROVE On Monday, May 14, 2018 at 4:25:27 PM UTC-7, Surlyprof wrote: > > Not to worry, Bill. I’m just not rushing back to THAT path. I refuse to > be that easily discouraged as I’m trying a new direction tonight. It will > involve horse farms, it will involve hills and it may involve a

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Not to worry, Bill. I’m just not rushing back to THAT path. I refuse to be that easily discouraged as I’m trying a new direction tonight. It will involve horse farms, it will involve hills and it may involve a backyard crossing. I’ll have to channel the spirit of Manny on that one

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A. I'm touched that my post inspired somebody to try something new B. I'm bummed that the something new that somebody tried was unpleasant C. I flatly reject that trying one new thing and not liking it justifies never trying any new thing. Maybe that's not what John meant when he said (and I

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Bill's post on extreme commuting prompted me to take the path less ventured home last week. If I ride home instead of taking the train, I usually ride out of San Jose through not the most picturesque neighborhoods but eventually, it connects to the road that skirts along the base of the hills

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Hey Deacon: I agree. Even though I do eat coconut oil at breakfast, often eat almond butter at lunch, and eat olive oil at dinner, I'm still likely not getting enough fat calories. Also, I'm probably not getting 2,000 calories each day. Cannot imagine eating just two meals a day. But hey,

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Evan, You may not be getting enough fat colaories. I put butter on my burger (or whatever meat I’m having). We buy ground beef with 25% fat, and it gets made into a sauce or simply put with the meat. Essentially, 80-90% of my calories come from fat. I eat 1-2 meals a day. “Breakfast” is coffee

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Deacon Patrick: Thanks for your paragraph! It helps a lot. I suspect that I may be in the middle of low-carb diets. While on most days I eat almost zero carbs, each Saturday I eat a restaurant basket of tortilla chips and about once a week I'll eat white rice with dinner. So maybe those carbs

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Hi Evan, Not to step on Deacon Patrick’s toes, but if you keeps carbohydrates under 100 grams per day you should have effortless weight maintenance. Closer to 50gr is getting close to ketosis but will accelerate fat loss. I agree you are close to being fat adapted if not there already. We are

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Hey Evan! Based on what you wrote, you don’t need a paragraph from me. You got it. Discipline may be the issue? In a given day how much sugar, flour, and other carbs are you getting? You know you’re reaching a point of your body being effecient at burning fat (which can take a while to heal

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Hi Deacon Patrick, "Become a fat burner and see what happens." < Could you please explain, in one paragraph, how to become a fat burner? I ask because a few year ago I read "Eat Bacon Don't Jog," and I liked it, and I followed its diet regimen for at least five months straight, and still today

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D Beer Stein (don’t sign you name I get to have fun with it. Grin.), Ignore genetics. Ain’t nuffin’ you can do ‘bout that. And it’s likely far less a factor than people like to think. Reality is we all come from hearty stock, ‘cause our lines are a couple million years old. Grin. So, nature, it

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I'm sure genetics plays a part, but quite a bit comes down to training and probably diet. I started eating low carb about two years ago, and noticed after the rough first month or two of riding that my legs no longer burned on climbs. (Overall speed and power took a hit during that

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I need to dive more into the Dr. Maffetone stuff and maybe that will help answer my question, but no matter how much or long or often I ride, my legs kill me after 30-40 miles and 4k feet of climbing. I remember riding with someone on this group (Ahem, Tony) on a ride last year where my quads were

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On Wednesday, April 25, 2018 at 6:23:47 PM UTC-7, Deacon Patrick wrote: > If you’re needing recovery between rides you may be riding way past your > aerobic threshold and riding yourself into the ground. If so, I recommend > getting Phil Maffetone’s book(s) on building aerobic capacity. > >

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I know those trails well, and that is a grande ride. Super fun, even under biking, but then you gotta work. Plus the bummer pave at the end. I’m assuming you BARTed home? I have attained the holy grail of adulthood with my 9 mile RT commute, replete with alternative coffee and beer stops, and

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That's an impressive and inspiring commute, Bill. Love that second picture of the trail through the trees. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to

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Thanks all. I feel good today, but my legs and shoulders are a bit sore from grinding up the steepies. I'm thinking about trying the same route next time with my proper mountain bike and comparing my segment times. There should be definite advantages having 29x2.3" tires and shocks on the

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Wow! Excellent route. Good work! On Wednesday, April 25, 2018 at 1:01:11 PM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote: > > > Back at the very beginning of my Rivendell career, in 2009, I was pretty > much strictly a roadie. My Hillborne and the idea of "country bike" opened > up my world in many ways. One of

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Props for accomplishing this. I've ridden through Redwood/JMP to Chabot and on to San Leandro BART sticking to trails the whole way, which is only like a 3rd of this and it kicked my ass (though I started from rockridge bart so I was 5 miles of climbing in already). I don't do long road rides