[RBW] Re: Favorite All-around Drive train?

2019-11-24 Thread aeroperf
To answer your question, my Sam came with a Sugino double 40-26, and what I ended up with was 46-36-26 on a 110 BB with 11-34 cassette. But regarding front cranks, you can always build your own. You can still buy an XD2 compact crank, if you liked that, both the double and the triple. Nashbar,

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2019-11-24 Thread 'Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch
The Shimano MTB 1x11 system that came on my protoGus is ugly (the shifter is an aircraft carrier strapped to the handlebars wherever they happen to fit and be accessible, which is only one position on bullmoose or equivalent wavy or Jones bars) but shifts beautifully and stands up to a lot of a

[RBW] Re: Favorite All-around Drive train?

2019-11-24 Thread Nick Payne
I have several bikes setup with 42-29 chainrings and Shimano 11-34 or 11-40 11-speed cassettes, and I find that gearing pretty ideal for the sort of riding I do - usually 60-100km rides over undulating terrain. Here's one using a pair of TA Carmina cranks with a 94BCD spider. A 107mm BB gives a

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2019-11-25 Thread Garth
What you're looking for then would be a wide compact double which are designed for road bikes with their straight-er arms mid 140's q., One with a 94 bcd like the IRD wide compact crank would suit you. It comes with rings however, so you'll have to get another large ring. A 110 road double als

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2019-11-25 Thread maxcr
Im not the most knowledgeable in the subject but what about white industries vbc? Would those be an option? That’s what I’m considering for my custom road with a 46/30 setup and a 9-speed 11/32 cassette Max -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owner

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2019-11-25 Thread Bill Lindsay
I guess my favorite would be Rene Herse crankset, 46/30 Dura Ace 7900 front and rear ders Dura Ace barcon shifters, friction front, index rear Dura Ace 12-27 10 speed cassette This is on my Roadeo. I have a similar 2x10 drivetrain on my brevet bike, but that bike has Dura Ace DT Shifters, 42/2

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2019-11-25 Thread Jason Fuller
If you can handle the additional cost, the low Q-factor, endless chainring size options, and beautiful craftsmanship of the Rene Herse / Compass cranks cannot be beat in my opinion. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsub

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2019-11-25 Thread Benz, Sunnyvale, CA
On Sunday, November 24, 2019 at 4:10:38 PM UTC-8, John Bokman wrote: > > Curious: What's been your favorite all-round drive train on your riv(s)? > I like my 53/42/30 Campagnolo triple paired with a 13-29 or a 14-28 best. Why? - It offers a decently wide range with usable highs and low-enough

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2019-11-26 Thread Garth
Apparently, for really low gear triple cranks work just peachy, right now the Bomba has 24/36/44 and a 9sp 12-36 cassette with only the 14-32 portion of it is used. An 8 speed 11-34 and using the 13-34 part would also work great. Coasting at high-er speed and enjoying the view..wee ind

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2019-11-26 Thread lconley
The longer the chain stays are, the less "cross chaining" matters. Years ago, super short chain stays made "crossover gearing" a valid option - the front gear spacing was the same as the rear gear spacing so you used the inner two or three rear cogs with the small chainring and the outer two or

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2019-11-26 Thread ascpgh
Q. "Favorite All-around Drive train?" A. What I've derived over the years for my Rambouillet. OE TA Zephyr cranks with the inner triple ring and spacers removed with 46x30t on a narrower SKF BB than the OE Phil, Shimano rear hub and 13-32 cassette, Mavic 840 RD with the long cage of an 845 on

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2019-11-26 Thread James / Analog Cycles
Where I live, wider is better. So we mucked around in figured out that you can do a 44/24 White double or a 44/24 Middleburn double and run an 9 speed 11-40 cassette in the back with a clutch GX 10 speed rear mech. This gives a huge range of gears, with the added benefit of having a clutch re

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2019-11-26 Thread Nikos Karanikas
My favorite is this: https://www.velovitality.co.uk/collections/transmission/products/sunxcd-ta-chainset. I chose the 40-26 with a 12-29 or 12-32 miche cassette, both with a short cage rear derailleur. Since i use 11 speed trigger shifters with my Bosco setup, my LBS used around 1,5mm narrower

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2019-11-27 Thread John Bokman
Lotsa good options and thoughts here. I must admit I'm leaning toward the Herse setup, damn the cost. If I'm going to pay to go custom, I may as well spend my wad. 107 BB or 110? (Thanks for that data point William D. R.) One concern is that it seems to me that Grant's bikes do really well with

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2019-11-27 Thread Jason Fuller
Yes, get the Herse cranks! I am certain you will be happy you did. As for BB length, I installed mine on the BB that my Sam Hillborne came with (113??? No idea actually, website doesn't say and I didn't measure) and with the 46-30 it was nearly touching the frame, probably 0.5mm clearance, th

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2019-11-27 Thread PaulS
Herse cranks are a thing of beauty. I would personally go 107mm cranks if the chainrings clear and you won’t have heel rub issues. Since you’re going to utilize big-big combo at times, it makes sense to move the big chainring inboard a bit. -- You received this message because you are subscri

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2019-11-29 Thread Austin B.
John, I suspect you'll need a wider BB than the 107 that came with your Sam. A while back I tried to install a VO 46/30 on my Sam it the 107 and didn't work. Had I fully tighten the crank arm the 30t ring would've been touching the chainstay. I think VO specs a BB with a 118 width for their c

Re: [RBW] Re: Favorite All-around Drive train?

2019-11-25 Thread john Bokman
Thanks for all the ideas. I have considered a white industries before. I have considered a Rene here, also. Don’t think I’m willing to spend so much, however, because I imagine it would not only be the cranks, but the bottom bracket as well, no? I think a 42 large ring and something like 26 smal

Re: [RBW] Re: Favorite All-around Drive train?

2019-11-25 Thread Garth
In that case a Sugino 601D complact plus crankset would also work. It's a 2 ring super compact road crank designed with a 74 and 110 mid/big ring, it has no provision for an outer ring. It doesn't use a square taper BB though, but it is included. https://www.bikemania.biz/build-your-own-s

Re: [RBW] Re: Favorite All-around Drive train?

2019-11-25 Thread Jason Fuller
I agree with 42-26 being a pretty ideal setup for a bike like this. That's what I just switched to on my Rene Herse cranks, from 46-30. The latter is OK but as you say, I found myself needing to drop from big to small ring more often than I'd like. With the 42, I can get up most hills in the bi

Re: [RBW] Re: Favorite All-around Drive train?

2019-11-25 Thread PaulS
FYI, “cross chaining” on a road double isn’t as big of a deal as doing it on a triple. As long as your chain line is good, you won’t have issues. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop recei

Re: [RBW] Re: Favorite All-around Drive train?

2019-11-25 Thread ted
John, If you think that 26/42 rings and an 11-32 cassette will give you what you want, and you can pay for it, I'd suggest you splurge on the White or RH crank set. RH and White cranks (except the m30 variants) go on "normal" square taper bottom brackets so you probably wouldn't "need" a new o

Re: [RBW] Re: Favorite All-around Drive train?

2019-11-25 Thread Joe Bernard
Agreed about cross-chaining, which I always understood as big-big on anything and small-small on a triple. I've always used the full cassette with the middle position ring on doubles and triples, and now that's often the only option because I've been riding 1x bikes. I wouldn't worry about it as

Re: [RBW] Re: Favorite All-around Drive train?

2019-11-26 Thread Patrick Moore
For derailleur bikes, I've taken to using "sub-compact doubles" that are actually 1Xs with a granny ring bailout; as I've adapted to this strategy, my cassettes have grown from 7 speeders to 10 speeders. Currently my ownly derailleur bike is my dirt road Matthews; with tires measuring 29.6" tall,

Re: [RBW] Re: Favorite All-around Drive train?

2019-11-26 Thread masmojo
I really don't favor one brand or model over another, but speaking in a general sense I like the new 1X drivetrains. I think wide ratio 9+ cassettes have pretty much killed the Triple front crank, but I like a good double from time to time. I recently built up a bike with SRAM 1X10 derailleur/s

Re: [RBW] Re: Favorite All-around Drive train?

2019-11-26 Thread masmojo
Regarding the Q-factor; I used to worry about it quite a lot, then one day I noticed that my natural gaite on the pedals when using a low Q-factor crank was with my feet more to the outside of the pedals anywayz. These days I go as narrow as the bike will allow, but I don't worry much about it