Re: [RBW] Re: Fenderless Sam: Snoqualmie or Barlow Pass?

If it weren't for modern sealants like Stan's and Orange Seal, I'd still be riding 60 mm Big Apples on dirt and Kojaks on pavement, with tubes. I must say that, while I think Compass has among the fastest riding tires out there, Schwalbe has gone at least as far with their lineup of tires that

Re: [RBW] Re: Fenderless Sam: Snoqualmie or Barlow Pass?

Aren't Big Apples great? I run 2"ers on my Ogre (with Jones bar and uncut steerer tube) sometimes as something different, and I gotta tell you that is one sweet bike. I was amazed at the difference (for the better) compared to the stock WTB Nanos, which aren't shabbyy actually. Sometimes I

[RBW] Re: Fenderless Sam: Snoqualmie or Barlow Pass?

Thanks for chiming in, John. Yeah, I guess I should be scared of running them at to HIGH a pressure since that will likely encourage more flats given how thin the tires are. Nevertheless, I will just have to find the sweet spot. I'm really not that anxious about flatting while riding, since

Re: [RBW] Re: Fenderless Sam: Snoqualmie or Barlow Pass?

Whether you get inch flats in my experience is almost, if not entirely, as much a matter of how you ride than what your pressure is. I rode 22 mm actual tires, quite supple -- these were the old Specialized 26 X "` Turbos, very nice except for width -- at 80/90 for years with rear loads up to 35

[RBW] Re: Fenderless Sam: Snoqualmie or Barlow Pass?

Tom, I agree with Patrick. I ride Barlow ELs at about 40# which is close to what he’s suggesting Keven Moran, when he was at Riv, suggested I lower the pressure and showed me his bike to prove he ran them low. I tried it on an old mountain bike that had too narrow rims for the tires and it

Re: [RBW] Re: Fenderless Sam: Snoqualmie or Barlow Pass?

IME, even the best modern sealants work best on very small punctures, where they work excellently. But for large holes say for big nails, again IME, they are worse than no sealant, at least for tubes, since they don't seal these and make a mess that prevents patching. I carry spare tubes on each

[RBW] Re: Fenderless Sam: Snoqualmie or Barlow Pass?

I forgot to mention I briefly experimented with running Orange seal in my tubes and the fuss and mess was too much for me. I don’t have issues here with thornes and I know how to (mostly) avoid pinch flats, so the only flats I get are due to big gashes from glass or other detrius. So my 30-35

[RBW] Re: Fenderless Sam: Snoqualmie or Barlow Pass?

Mark, thanks. No shifting issues -- just enough length/play in the cables to make it work I guess. On Monday, January 15, 2018 at 9:14:22 AM UTC-5, Mark in Beacon wrote: > > Yes, the tan looks great. More susceptible to UV damage and getting dirty, > but often worth it. Question: I am

[RBW] Re: Fenderless Sam: Snoqualmie or Barlow Pass?

Ha, TC! My suggestion is to inflate to 30psi and ride. Listen to the bike. It will tell you what it needs. The trick, of course, is to not confuse preconcieved notions or fears for the voice of the bike. Grin. The way I do it is to inflate to the upper range and let time deflate it, and when

[RBW] Re: Fenderless Sam: Snoqualmie or Barlow Pass?

Yes, the tan looks great. More susceptible to UV damage and getting dirty, but often worth it. Question: I am contemplating a handlebar bag on one of my bikes with bar ends. I see that you just let the bag move the cables out the way. Has this affected shifting at all? I know some folks go

[RBW] Re: Fenderless Sam: Snoqualmie or Barlow Pass?

Patrick, wow, 30-35lbs! It will require a mind-bending change for me to go the low-pressure route, but I'm giving it a go. I've been reading up on Jan's research, as corroborated by others who do this in practice (including you and others in the bunch). Not going tubeless yet -- though

[RBW] Re: Fenderless Sam: Snoqualmie or Barlow Pass?

On Sunday, January 14, 2018 at 12:57:05 PM UTC-5, tc wrote: > I can now confirm that Snoqualmie Pass (44mm) tires fit just fine on my > fenderless Sam with Tektro R559 sidepulls.  I hope that is helpful for some > of you current or future Sam owners considering these tires. > Awesome

[RBW] Re: Fenderless Sam: Snoqualmie or Barlow Pass?

Keep in mind those “optimum” pressure numbers are a starting point and a wide variety of factors will change “optimum” for any given rider/road/trail/set up. I found 30-35 psi what perfect for the Snowqualmie, and with the Barlow/Steilacoom I up that by 5psi, and likely ten if I ride loaded. I

[RBW] Re: Fenderless Sam: Snoqualmie or Barlow Pass?

I can now confirm that Snoqualmie Pass (44mm) tires fit just fine on my fenderless Sam with Tektro R559 sidepulls. I hope that is helpful for some of you current or future Sam owners considering these tires. Pictures here: https://photos.app.goo.gl/9kfJxuf3sXyDyBoA3 Personally, I really like

[RBW] Re: Fenderless Sam: Snoqualmie or Barlow Pass?

I have David’s Snoqualmies mounted on CR-18s (thanks David!) and can measure the height on Tuesday. I like them after one ride. I like 38mm tires also, so I think you couldn’t go wrong with either choice. Philip Santa Rosa, CA -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the

[RBW] Re: Fenderless Sam: Snoqualmie or Barlow Pass?

Rod, that's awesome! I just set psi to 60 on the front unloaded tire and measured max width. For height (above rim lip), I rested the bottom edge of the caliper on the top of the rim; for the top edge of the caliper I rested a small spirit level on the top of the tire and measured up to that

[RBW] Re: Fenderless Sam: Snoqualmie or Barlow Pass?

I will take Darin’s answer to mean that Compass did not say if this batch of Barlow Pass tires came in heavy due to having more tread or heavier casing or something else. They just came in heavy. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch"

[RBW] Re: Fenderless Sam: Snoqualmie or Barlow Pass?

A little heavy compared to the sizes above and below the Barlow’s. I was told that the stated weight on their website is correct. Darin -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving

[RBW] Re: Fenderless Sam: Snoqualmie or Barlow Pass?

If y'all advise me on the preferred methodology for measuring tire height, I've still got those tires mounted on the same rims, and could take a measurement and report. rod -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe

[RBW] Re: Fenderless Sam: Snoqualmie or Barlow Pass?

Darin said Compass confirmed Barlow Pass tires came in a little heavy. Did they say where the weight is? Is it a heavier tread? Is it heavier casing? Or some combination? Bill Lindsay El Cerrito Ca. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW

[RBW] Re: Fenderless Sam: Snoqualmie or Barlow Pass?

Thanks Drew, good to know you've actually done it, albeit with Racers. Theoretically 44's should work on a rim as narrow as 17mm per this Maxxis article, THE RIGHT TYRE WIDTH ON THE RIGHT RIM WIDTH On ibob I

[RBW] Re: Fenderless Sam: Snoqualmie or Barlow Pass?

Just to reinforce, I emailed Compass about this a few weeks ago and was assured by that the weights are correct as listed. The current Barlow’s are even heavier than the size below, if I remember correctly. If I were set on that size I would go with the new Panaracer Gravel King in 38mm for

[RBW] Re: Fenderless Sam: Snoqualmie or Barlow Pass?

Don't know about brakes, but 44 on a 18-19 rim shouldn't be an issue. I had 50mm marathons on dyads (I think they are 19mm internal) on a Sam and there was nothing close to an issue that came up. This was with Paul racers. I'd bet the 559's clear 44mm just fine. -- You received this message

[RBW] Re: Fenderless Sam: Snoqualmie or Barlow Pass?

With the R559 brakes it looks like available height for the 44 Snoqualmie's would be more of an issue than width. My Marathon 35's measure 34.5mm wide X 36.5 high (60psi, front tire, unloaded) on the Alexrims DM18 (18.4 inner rim width). Has anyone mounted Snoqualmie's on a rim with an inner

[RBW] Re: Fenderless Sam: Snoqualmie or Barlow Pass?

I’ve been running the Steilcooms on my Atlantis for a short time and so far like them well enough but they do have an annoying whine on pavement. Not quite as bad as a 4 wheel drive, lifted truck with off road tires but... I do like the way they corner better than the Cazaderos I had on there

[RBW] Re: Fenderless Sam: Snoqualmie or Barlow Pass?

Well dang. I trust David, and if he’s weighed them himself and assured us the posted weights are accurate, the that’s that. Run Steilacooms instead! They roll awesome, will clear your side pull brakes, and I’ve weighed them myself and can confirm they are a few grams lighter than the

[RBW] Re: Fenderless Sam: Snoqualmie or Barlow Pass?

On the other hand, if you don't plan to run tubeless and you can get hold of a NOS or Nwhatever pair of pre-TC Barlow Pass Extralights, I suspect you'll enjoy them. Have run both Barlows and Snoqs, EL in both cases, on the same bike, and enjoyed both. Barlow steering seems a little quicker, but

[RBW] Re: Fenderless Sam: Snoqualmie or Barlow Pass?

Weights are correct as listed. Compass stated that the new run of TC Barlows came in heavy, and the first batch of Snoqualmies were extremely lightweight. Jan mentioned that he expected later batches to be different, but as it stands right now, Snoqualmie's are lighter than Barlows. David On

[RBW] Re: Fenderless Sam: Snoqualmie or Barlow Pass?

Stickers are sandburs so yes tiny little thorns. I do need to try Stan’s or the other one mentioned. Soon I’ll do that. With almost a 1000 miles in my Sam I have tried several tires and I never had a flat with Rivendell JB’s nor my BG tires. If I continue with my Barlow’s I better get with the

[RBW] Re: Fenderless Sam: Snoqualmie or Barlow Pass?

That is odd! I wonder, too, if they swapped the weights accidently. Regardless, we're talking 0.1lbs difference per tire...a small bag of peanuts :) On Wednesday, December 20, 2017 at 4:01:52 PM UTC-5, David B wrote: > > ...Weirdly the current run of Snoqualmie Pass tires are lighter than the

[RBW] Re: Fenderless Sam: Snoqualmie or Barlow Pass?

LOL -- I know the feeling -- I feel the same way about [My Fingers + iPhone] ... sometimes I wanna throw the dang thing in the woods :) My Sam has the Tektro R559 sidepulls. On Wednesday, December 20, 2017 at 7:34:31 PM UTC-5, Bill Lindsay wrote: > > Darn iPhone autocorrect. Not ‘Case pass’.

[RBW] Re: Fenderless Sam: Snoqualmie or Barlow Pass?

That is weird. Is it a typo? Barlow gets my vote, assuming it actually is lighter. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to

Re: [RBW] Re: Fenderless Sam: Snoqualmie or Barlow Pass?

Carla: curious: why not Stan's -- or, better, Orange Seal? works perfectly for me, in tubes and without. On Wed, Dec 20, 2017 at 2:47 PM, Carla Waugh wrote: > Barlow pass and regular not light. I have had better luck in Oklahoma with > stickers and not with Stan’s. I had

[RBW] Re: Fenderless Sam: Snoqualmie or Barlow Pass?

Carla, thanks - I should probably know what you mean by ‘stickers’ - could you elaborate? Do you mean thorns, etc? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an

[RBW] Re: Fenderless Sam: Snoqualmie or Barlow Pass?

Barlow pass and regular not light. I have had better luck in Oklahoma with stickers and not with Stan’s. I had the others in the light version and had a flat right off the bat so it’s Barlow passes for now. Minus the stickers either would have been fine. -- You received this message because

[RBW] Re: Fenderless Sam: Snoqualmie or Barlow Pass?

Snoqualmie. With abandon, Patrick On Wednesday, December 20, 2017 at 1:16:18 PM UTC-7, tc wrote: > Disregarding fenders (don't need), off-roading (have an Ogre for that), and > weight (don't expect it to make a diff) -- I'm looking at trying either > Snoqualmie or Barlow Pass tires on my Sam. 

[RBW] Re: Fenderless Sam: Snoqualmie or Barlow Pass?

I'd go Snoqualmie Pass. Weirdly the current run of Snoqualmie Pass tires are lighter than the smaller Barlow Pass, by quite a bit. I'd go standard Snoqualmie if it were me as the standard is lighter than the current extralight Barlow Pass. I just sold my Snoqualmie's only because I'm