I say if you can dream it build it. There may be less expensive ways to do
it as others have pointed out, most notably the Alfine 11 speed IGH, but
part of the fun of bikes and gear is coming up with off the wall
applications.
I recently converted my Handsome Devil from a Sugino Triple
Back when the mystery bike was still a mystery, Grant had thrown out a
clue, which I had wrongly guessed as meaning the inclusion of a
Hammerschmidt 2-speed derailleur-less crankset. Well I wonder now
whether it might not be a bad experiment to try out the FSA Metropolis
Patterson crank on
The gear range from the cassette in back is enough at least for now for my
contemplated usage of the Mystery Bike (which shall henceforth be known as the
Dasher Hammett), Bobby, so install away on your SO. But interestingly, while
riding with Grant yesterday at the College Park ride, I asked
Whoah! That's really interesting. Also, Tom, your bike looks awesome! And even though I'm the one who brought up the SRAM 1x11 thing, I'm pretty sure now that (partlyas a result ofthe discussion from this fineforum) that I would choose Alfine 11 over SRAM derailleur 11.
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I'm really kind of intrigued by the 1x11. From what I've read, it's a whole
system — special front crankset with the teeth shaped so that no chain
catcher is required, and the RD is new as well, moving differently than
typical derailers. This link has some
details:
Interesting and doubtless silly-expensive. I'd like to know the proposed
price of those one-piece cassettes. The idea is good, but I wish they'd put
that RD into cheaper, wider-range (500%+) and more efficient internal
geared hubs instead of ever more complex and expensive -- and finicky?
Don't
On Thu, 2012-09-27 at 19:59 -0600, PATRICK MOORE wrote:
Interesting and doubtless silly-expensive. I'd like to know the
proposed price of those one-piece cassettes.
I saw $450 ea mentioned on the VSalon forum, IIRC. That's one hell of a
piece of change for a wear item.
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I believe the cassettes are around $425, and they require a special hub.
You're buying a system, really. It's geared for terrain riding, so a
different market than the Roloff. Lighter, too, I'd imagine.
On Thursday, September 27, 2012 10:00:02 PM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:
Interesting and
So for the whole system, cassette, special hub and special
chainring/crankset you are over 1k? That is alot of outlay. Thats almost 3
full Alfine 11 hubs which each last for about 5 years of heavy use.
On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 9:59 PM, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote:
Interesting and
Maybe this 1 x 11 equipment will start out at the top of the line
then trickle down if it sticks. $425 for a cassette is aimed at some
extremely rich riders. Is 11 speed chain even narrower thatn 10
speed? Wonder how friction would work on 11 speed off-road?
When you think about 10 teeth to
I remember reading somewhere (in the RR?) on the subject of ever-expanding
cassettes, seven is heaven, eight is great, nine is fine, ten is getting a
little ridiculous.
To which I would add that an 11 cog cassette is straight up pointless.
But to each his own.
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At least for the new model with its horizontal drops, you can use an IGH. And
the Rohloff hub gives more than 500% range, better than any cassette, I would
guess. Very expensive of course, but the quality and durability match the
price. And the Alfine 11 gives more than a 400% range; I've
I hope to try a Rohloff one day. People who have them swear by them,
and judging by their huge ratio range, reputation for reliability, and
other benefits I'm inclined to believe they are well worth the money. I
could totally see mystery bike owners choosing to use an IGH, but a
I have a Rohloff hub, which I unfortunately built into a 650B wheel for my
Bombadil -- I've been trying to find a way not to use a chain tensioner ever
since. (No particularly good reason; I just think it would look a lot better,
and I didn't buy the Rohloff chain tensioner when I bought the
Well, I'm not sure why SRAM designed it since triples are perfectly good.
But given that it is coming out, I know that if I had a bike that was designed
to not have a front derailleur, I would certainly want all my gearing covered
with one ring. I do not want to get off to shift by hand or
The Alfine 11 is great. I have it on my QB. I have several Rivs, and in the pack I think the QB is rapidly becoming my favorite.
It's the first time the bike has the full gear range I've been looking for in my hilly hometown.
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On Wed, 2012-09-26 at 15:44 -0700, James Warren wrote:
Well, I'm not sure why SRAM designed it since triples are perfectly good.
But given that it is coming out, I know that if I had a bike that was
designed to not have a front derailleur, I would certainly want all my
gearing covered with
Shifting gears while the bike is stopped and your feet are on the ground is a
nice benefit. Really helps a lot in traffic.
And a straight chain path with no rear derailleur to run through is nice as
well.
Additionally, as Doug mentioned, there is the gear range issue. Rohloff for
sure and I
I run an alfine on my bombadil and it is really nice not having to worry
about dropping a chain or missing a gear, being able to shift at a light
and not having to worry about the elements on the rear wheel. I know they
have thier haters but I think when people give it a shot they seem to like
Could you just get a clamp-on stop for an FD on the mystery bike? Or is
there another reason why it will not take an FD (like the angle between ST
and chainstays or something)? I know it has a very specialized geometry
for the type of riding/handling it is intended for, but am just
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If you are considering a stick, how about a clanger ?
Just a stick bolted to the seat tube.
I have the Simplex on my Claude Butler,
works great, better than early matchbox derailleurs.
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I'm pretty sure the combination of slack seat tube angle, super low BB, and
long chainstays that angle noticeably upwards from the BB prevents the use
of a normal FD on the Mystery Bike/HS/Bosco Rubbe. If you set the
derailleur low enough to be effective, the cage will hit the chainstay
I've often thought one of those shifters would be fine. My big ring is
small enough that it covers most of my unloaded riding.
I recall these shifters from when I first started riding, but in those days
most doubles were only 5-7 teeth apart and triples pretty rare, with maybe
a total
I believe that yes you do need their new RD developed along with the
cassette.
Also worth noting is the 10t small cog in back and the 11 sp
spacing, ...
And a special new freehub body.
On Sep 23, 11:22 am, Bertin753 bertin...@gmail.com wrote:
Really? A 42 t cog? What sort of rear dérailleur can
I like 1 x set ups, but frankly am quite happy with the wide range (13 -
34) 5 speed Suntour freewheel that I have on my road bike. Works for me.
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Big cassettes/freewheels are not that new back in the early 80's I had
a steel Schwinn Sierra, one of the 1st mountain bikes. Steel frame, room
for 2.2 inch knobbies and a 14-38 Suntour drivetrain. It shifted pretty
good, I recall.
~mike
Carlsbad ca.
On Sunday, September 23, 2012 9:57:13
If they made a bar end shifter for that 11 speed alfine I would be all over
it but I have used the click box before and it is so obtrusive. Alas jtek
takes their time with a product and the bigwigs at shimano has no plans to
make one.
On Sep 23, 2012 7:48 PM, Michael_S mikeybi...@rocketmail.com
The Italians always do things with a certain flair; I'd like to see
their design. Walnut or oak is a tough call.
At one point I'd installed a MTB triple on a racing bike with a double
FD, of course the drop onto the granny was unreliable. A simple
toe to the chain worked well as long as I
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