Re: [RBW] Re: Sam or Cheviot - what would you get for an all rounder?

2014-09-20 Thread DS
Yep - I really wanted a bike that worked well with Albatross bars and the Cheviot I read was built around it. My other bikes are a Hunq/Albastache and Gunnar/drops. Only thing I need to add now is a quickbeam or quickbeam successor with Jitensha bars. And my life will be complete. No more new b

Re: [RBW] Re: Sam or Cheviot - what would you get for an all rounder?

2014-09-20 Thread Dan McNamara
Congrats! It will be a great ride. Are you going Albas for the cockpit? > On Sep 20, 2014, at 5:03 PM, DS wrote: > > alright, #@)* it. getting a cheviot. rode one today a bit around walnut > creek. so long hard earned money. hello new bike (next month). > > > -- > You received this mess

[RBW] Re: Sam or Cheviot - what would you get for an all rounder?

2014-09-20 Thread DS
alright, #@)* it. getting a cheviot. rode one today a bit around walnut creek. so long hard earned money. hello new bike (next month). -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving email

[RBW] Re: Sam or Cheviot - what would you get for an all rounder?

2014-09-20 Thread Bill Lindsay
Yeah, no-handed rideability probably has many contributing factors besides wheelbase, front end geometry being on the list of course On Saturday, September 20, 2014 12:28:57 AM UTC-7, Evan wrote: > > Thanks, Bill, for answering. Chainstay length may indeed make little, if > any, difference. And

[RBW] Re: Sam or Cheviot - what would you get for an all rounder?

2014-09-20 Thread Evan
Thanks, Bill, for answering. Chainstay length may indeed make little, if any, difference. And Jim W. makes a good point about uprightness. All that said, I find it easier to ride no-hands on my 1969 Raleigh Competition (~47 cm stays) than I do on my 1986 Univega Gran Rally (~43 cm), each bike wi

[RBW] Re: Sam or Cheviot - what would you get for an all rounder?

2014-09-19 Thread Garth
Neither ! lolToo short in top tube for I . I choose a custom , unless another model comes out :) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to

Re: [RBW] Re: Sam or Cheviot - what would you get for an all rounder?

2014-09-19 Thread James Warren
generally lengthened during a number of years that has coincided with new, more upright cockpit options.   -Jim W. -Original Message- From: Bill Lindsay Sent: Sep 19, 2014 7:10 AM To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Subject: [RBW] Re: Sam or Cheviot - what would you get for an all ro

[RBW] Re: Sam or Cheviot - what would you get for an all rounder?

2014-09-19 Thread Christian
Fantastic response Bill--a model of clarity, thoroughness, and thoughtfulness. I have no stake in this debate; just thought your response was a good one. As for me, I really have no idea of the chainstay lengths on my Terraferma, my Jones, my LHT, or Salsa Spearfish, nor own my now sold Hunqa

[RBW] Re: Sam or Cheviot - what would you get for an all rounder?

2014-09-19 Thread Bill Lindsay
Hi Evan I would not claim to have made any conclusions for myself on this topic. I haven't gone out of my way to set up two identical bikes where the only difference is chainstay length and ride them extensively. Grant, Keven and Jan all have done exactly that experiment, and all three of the

Re: [RBW] Re: Sam or Cheviot - what would you get for an all rounder?

2014-09-19 Thread Patrick Moore
I was rather surprised to find that the chainstays of my Ram are 1-1.5 cm shorter than those on my 2 customs -- 43.5 per the geom chart versus 44.5 (center of horizontal dropouts) and yet the customs handle a bit quicker than does the Ram. The customs exhibit an unerring straight line stability whi

[RBW] Re: Sam or Cheviot - what would you get for an all rounder?

2014-09-19 Thread Evan
Hi Bill, If chainstay length doesn't matter/makes no difference in ride quality--such as making a bike more or less stable, or lively, or able to climb well--then why bother to make a bike (such as Cheviot) with long chainstays and another bike (such as Yves) with medium chainstays and another

[RBW] Re: Sam or Cheviot - what would you get for an all rounder?

2014-09-19 Thread Bill Lindsay
Matt I was merely pointing out the counter-opinion to your humble opinion that chainstay length has something to do with ride quality. Your opinion is the majority opinion, no question. Jan and Grant have a different opinion, that's all. They are in the minority, but they might be right.

[RBW] Re: Sam or Cheviot - what would you get for an all rounder?

2014-09-19 Thread 'hangtownmatt' via RBW Owners Bunch
Bill, I will not disagree that the Betty Foy, Chevoit and Appaloosa are all fun to ride, but I would hope they all have different ride characteristics. Otherwise, we would simply be debating colors and head badges. Matt On Friday, September 19, 2014 7:10:41 AM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote: > > I

[RBW] Re: Sam or Cheviot - what would you get for an all rounder?

2014-09-19 Thread Bill Lindsay
Jan disagrees with the notion that short chainstays result in a sportier ride. "Some riders and builders believe that longer chainstays make the bike more stableIn practice, we have found chainstay length does not noticeably influence the bike's stability." Bicycle Quarterly Volume 10 No

Re: [RBW] Re: Sam or Cheviot - what would you get for an all rounder?

2014-09-19 Thread David Stein
I did look into they Yves a bit and kind of remember it from the website back in the day when I could only window shop. Totally open to that too. Can't recall every seeing one pop up for sale on the list or my saved ebay searches though. On Thu, Sep 18, 2014 at 9:53 PM, 'hangtownmatt' via RBW Owne

[RBW] Re: Sam or Cheviot - what would you get for an all rounder?

2014-09-18 Thread 'hangtownmatt' via RBW Owners Bunch
DS, if you are leaning towards a Mixte have you considered a discontinued Betty Foy or the manly Yves Gomez? I ask, because I see a trend happening at Rivendell where the chain stays keep getting longer and longer. And I "think" the chain stays on the Chevoit are longer than the previous mode

Re: [RBW] Re: Sam or Cheviot - what would you get for an all rounder?

2014-09-18 Thread DS
A lot of love for the Cheviot! The single set of water bottle mounts is strange for rivendell. But agreed, the only time i'd really need two sets are for s240's and i can carry additional water in a rack or bag at that point. Step thru definitely seems to be an important piece here. And I defi

Re: [RBW] Re: Sam or Cheviot - what would you get for an all rounder?

2014-09-18 Thread Dan McNamara
Thinking about it for a bit, the only drawback to the Cheviot is the lack of bottle cage mounts. The 55 has one. A second one could go on the down tube as on the Sam. Sure there is a reason for it being the way it is. Using a Pass and Stow porteur rack with a Freight Baggage rack bag so there plent

[RBW] Re: Sam or Cheviot - what would you get for an all rounder?

2014-09-18 Thread Will
Cheviot. Three reasons: 1) long chainstays give you great pannier clearance. 2) the second set of seat stays = really strong rear triangle = great for cargo trailers. 3) mixte bikes are less attractive to thieves. On Thursday, September 18, 2014 2:57:43 PM UTC-5, DS wrote: > > While I patient

Re: [RBW] Re: Sam or Cheviot - what would you get for an all rounder?

2014-09-18 Thread cyclotour...@gmail.com
Step-throughs are really great. Can't say enough good things about them! On Thursday, September 18, 2014 3:41:09 PM UTC-7, danmc wrote: > > I went Cheviot for just those purposes. Actually for rear-mounted child > seat but the ability to stand without worry is a big plus in either child > seat s

Re: [RBW] Re: Sam or Cheviot - what would you get for an all rounder?

2014-09-18 Thread Dan McNamara
I went Cheviot for just those purposes. Actually for rear-mounted child seat but the ability to stand without worry is a big plus in either child seat scenario. Also figured that a step-through frame would be a bonus as the years go by. And the Cheviot is still a great bike for trails and S24Os. T

Re: [RBW] Re: Sam or Cheviot - what would you get for an all rounder?

2014-09-18 Thread Bill Lindsay
Color collecting is a big part of it. I was projecting my desire for a barfo green Cheviut onto you. I already have three orange bikes and zero green ones, so On Thursday, September 18, 2014 1:30:39 PM UTC-7, DS wrote: > > Yeah, I don't know about that color, maybe it looks awesome in pers

Re: [RBW] Re: Sam or Cheviot - what would you get for an all rounder?

2014-09-18 Thread David Stein
Yeah, I don't know about that color, maybe it looks awesome in person, anyway...already got a green bike ;). Isn't the whole n+1 thing about collecting colors anyway? On Thu, Sep 18, 2014 at 1:24 PM, Bill Lindsay wrote: > I'd preorder a Cheviut in that swank new metallic barfo green. You can be

[RBW] Re: Sam or Cheviot - what would you get for an all rounder?

2014-09-18 Thread Bill Lindsay
I'd preorder a Cheviut in that swank new metallic barfo green. You can be the first person to get one! On Thursday, September 18, 2014 12:57:43 PM UTC-7, DS wrote: > > While I patiently wait for a 54cm Quickbeam (ahemanyone?) to show up > for sale one place or another, I'm starting to think

[RBW] Re: Sam or Cheviot - what would you get for an all rounder?

2014-09-18 Thread Shoji Takahashi
Hi DS, Since you've got a Hunqapillar and a go-fast-ish, I also vote for the Cheviot. I'm also curious about the ride having those lng chain stays. You could wait for the Clem, Appaloosa, etc.,... but who knows when/if they'll be available. shoji On Thursday, September 18, 2014 3:57:43 PM

[RBW] Re: Sam or Cheviot - what would you get for an all rounder?

2014-09-18 Thread Minh
I have a Sam, and i'd vote for the Cheviot. I use a QB (sorry 60cm :) ) as a general cruiser and the high top tube is a pain sometimes with a lot of things in the basket. The Sam would work fine, but the Cheviot is more practical to me. On Thursday, September 18, 2014 3:57:43 PM UTC-4, DS wr