[RBW] Re: Sizing question for "in between" PBH measurement

2024-04-18 Thread DavidP
Oooh, a new Sam - exciting! 1) Send Riv an email and get their recommendation, they're great with this stuff. 2) I'm a similar height but have an 87cm PBH. With your torso length I'm guessing you'll want more reach, the concern is the standover on the 54cm Sam if you max out the tires. Either

[RBW] Re: Sizing question for "in between" PBH measurement

2024-04-18 Thread Johnny Alien
I am between sizes as well and my general rule is...if I want a more traditional setup/fit (maybe with drop bars) I size down. If I want to go laid back, more sweptback style I go up. With your PBH if you want drops go with the 51 otherwise the 54 might be best. If you want to size up but the s

[RBW] Re: Sizing question for "in between" PBH measurement

2024-04-18 Thread Brian Turner
I agree with Johnny. Think about how you mostly want this bike set up and size accordingly. You had mentioned wanting an Albatross bar setup, so if it were me, I would go with the 54cm and longer top tube that will play nicely with the swept-back bars and longer stem required for said bars. I a

[RBW] Re: Sizing question for "in between" PBH measurement

2024-04-18 Thread Bill Lindsay
I'm 5'10", shorter than the OP, and I think I'm between sizes on the Hillbornebut not between 51 and 54. I think I'm between 54 and 57 on the Hillborne. My Saddle Height is 75.5cm, so my PBH is probably in the 85-86 range. I own an older 56cm Hillborne which is perfect, used to run a 56

[RBW] Re: Sizing question for "in between" PBH measurement

2024-04-18 Thread Bill Lindsay
OOPS! the OP deleted their post. It's worth pointing out to people that this Google Group is basically an email activity. You can delete a post, but it's deleted the same way an email is deleted. It's out there. BL in EC On Thursday, April 18, 2024 at 10:32:17 AM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:

[RBW] Re: Sizing question for "in between" PBH measurement

2024-04-18 Thread ian m
It's pretty wild the differing opinions people have on upsizing or downsizing based on cockpit choices. I'm with Bill on this, and I think Riv tends to suggest smaller sizes than necessary, maybe because there's still consumer pushback to running shorter stems? Everyone thinks they need a 10cm

[RBW] Re: Sizing question for "in between" PBH measurement

2024-04-18 Thread Johnny Alien
With the way these bikes are designed the 51 SH I owned seemed as large or larger than the 54cm Rambo that I owned at the same time. For road riding I would not have wanted to go larger. But I also admit that I don't like having no standover clearance so thats part of it for me. One of the big

[RBW] Re: Sizing question for "in between" PBH measurement

2024-04-18 Thread Bill Lindsay
Johnny said: "the 51 SH I owned seemed as large or larger than the 54cm Rambo" I agree with that. A 51 Sam is "bigger" than a 54cm Rambouillet, IMO. My comment had to do with the OP's height at 5'11". A 5'11" person would probably do best on a 60cm Ram. At 5'10" I'd pick a 60cm if you gave

[RBW] Re: Sizing question for "in between" PBH measurement

2024-04-18 Thread Drew Fitchette
Echoing Bill on here. I also look at stack and reach, and have nearly the same dimensions as the OP I had a 53 Atlantis from the last run as it was correct for my PBH as I’m between the 53 and 55, after deep dives on stack and reach(in particular) I realized what made the bike *feel* small to m

[RBW] Re: Sizing question for "in between" PBH measurement

2024-04-18 Thread Robert Calton
OP here, apologies for deleting the post amidst the thoughtful conversation, I thought that I got the answer I needed and didn't want to clutter up the board :p Will at Riv suggested that I size up to the 54. The context was: compared to my current bike, a drop-bar 55cm Salsa Vaya's standove

[RBW] Re: Sizing question for "in between" PBH measurement

2024-04-18 Thread Johnny Alien
I would never question Rivendell's knowledge on anything at all but like I said their method of sizing bikes for people does not work for me personally. If you are comfortable on the 55 Salsa the 54 SH will feel a lot bigger. The 51 will likely feel pretty close. But I don't want to discourage

[RBW] Re: Sizing question for "in between" PBH measurement

2024-04-18 Thread Robert Calton
That does make sense. I wonder if a 130 stem with the Albatross bars on the 51 would give enough knee clearance, because I definitely want to run those bars. On Thursday, April 18, 2024 at 8:08:44 PM UTC-4 Johnny Alien wrote: > I would never question Rivendell's knowledge on anything at all but

[RBW] Re: Sizing question for "in between" PBH measurement

2024-04-18 Thread Johnny Alien
That I can't say BUT if you go with the 54 might I suggest the Billie bars? They are similar to the Albatross but go back a bit further. Quite luxurious. On Thursday, April 18, 2024 at 8:13:32 PM UTC-4 Robert Calton wrote: > That does make sense. I wonder if a 130 stem with the Albatross bars o

[RBW] Re: Sizing question for "in between" PBH measurement

2024-04-19 Thread Tim Bantham
Without taking a deep dive into the geometry numbers I wanted to share my personal experience. For reference my other Rivs are a 62 Sam and a 60 Platypus. My PBH is 93.5 cm. Going by Rivendell's approach to sizing I ordered a 61.5 Homer earlier this year. I ordered the Platypus and the AHH at

[RBW] Re: Sizing question for "in between" PBH measurement

2024-04-19 Thread Bill Lindsay
Bike Insights is terrific way to visualize Stack and Reach. It's excellent. The fact they have a huge "inventory" of bike data makes it particularly convenient, especially if you have a bike you love that's already in there. It can get really tricky for some Rivendells because Riv doesn't ha

Re: [RBW] Re: Sizing question for "in between" PBH measurement

2024-04-19 Thread Richard Rose
Right on cue I was just comparing (via bike insights) my Clem L size 52 to the 54.5 AHH. The upcoming Roaduno is reportedly “essentially a Homer”. I have been wondering if I would be able to achieve a Roaduno fit similar to my Clem. It would appear that might be difficult. Stack is good on the AHH,

Re: [RBW] Re: Sizing question for "in between" PBH measurement

2024-04-19 Thread Bill Lindsay
This is exactly what I meant above when I mentioned the skill "how not to buy the wrong bike". That's very good work you've done. BL in EC On Friday, April 19, 2024 at 9:42:05 AM UTC-7 rmro...@gmail.com wrote: > Right on cue I was just comparing (via bike insights) my Clem L size 52 to > th