I agree, centerpull brakes might be the best option. The Paul Racers should
work great, but may require a bit of tire deflation to mount the wheel,
depending upon the width of your tires. Mafac raid or Compass bolt ons
should also work equally well, but expensive. I have not tried the
DiaCompe
As others have suggested the Paul Racer brakes were a big improvement on my
AHH vs. the Tektro 559. I have a second bike with the modern Dia Compe 610
brakes and find that they work very well. Might they be an option?
I also recently switched to using compressionless housiing brake/shift kits
If you are going to a builder, why not have the builder add V brake posts
on the Sam? Of course, if there are other reasons for a new frame, they
please go ahead and report!
I had lowrider brazeons made to my first edition Sam, the one designed more
sensibly for V or canti brakes.
On Tue, Jan 4,
Yeah, I'm convinced that there's not much I can do to make the braking
better. I think the biggest issue for me is that I have the v-brakes as a
comparison and it's not even close. I remember going from an old bike with
Tektro side pulls to the Atlantis with v-brakes and nearly going over the
Late to the game on this one but I specifically came back to this group
because I have always had problems with the braking performance with my Sam
and 559 brakes. To put it bluntly this is the worst braking setup I have
ever had, though my Brompton is a close second. I have tried almost
I've found that rims with machined sidewalls (Velocity Dyads and Quills)
provide much better breaking than rims that do not have machined sidewalls
(VO Voyagers, Grand Bois Papillon). FWIW.
On Tuesday, December 21, 2021 at 6:22:21 AM UTC-8 bjmi...@gmail.com wrote:
> Again, thanks to everyone
Not of the reach of your Sam but my Rambouillet was considered to be a
pretty far reach bike, specified for the longest reach caliper out there at
the time which was a non-group Shimano part. They were fine and I replaced
stock pads with something similar when necessary but I was alarmed by a
I run the tektro and RBW Silver branded version on 2 bikes and have no
issues with them. On downhills, I am in the 30 - 40 mph range often where I
live and ride, so stopping power is good to have and I've not felt like I
lacked it. I replaced the original pads with Salmon on one bike and Aztec
Has anyone had any experience with the Dia-Compe 610 Centerpull Brakes or
their longer reach cousin? Though I have not tried them personally, I have
heard that the Gran Compe variety are stiff and provide better braking
power and tire clearance than a caliper brake. Rene Hearse center pull can
I have Tiagra levers and R559 brakes on my Bleriot. The braking improved
significantly using salmon pads and compressionless housing, specifically,
the Jagwire KEB-SL Pro Road. The mushy feeling went away and they have a
nice predictable grip. I use the Jagwire EZ-Bend segments that lead into
Although in my case, paired with the TRP RRL brake levers with their own QR
button , the Grand Cru brakes clear 32mm Stampede Pass tires I'm using
with ease
On Monday, December 20, 2021 at 10:24:37 AM UTC-6 bjmi...@gmail.com wrote:
> Ryan,
> Thanks for that...if Jan likes them, I'm sure I
I've got a pair of center-mount Paul Racers with Kool Stop salmon thinline pads
actuated by some TRP RRL levers on my rando bike. And although they certainly
aren't as powerful as V-brakes, I do feel that the stopping power is pretty
comparable to the canti brake setups that I have on other
Agreed with all, it's the brakes, and in your case the Tiagra road levers
probably aren't helping, either.
They were designed with a short-arm dual-pivot Shimano caliper in mind
which is a very good skinny-tire brake, those Tektros are long and flexy
and not particularly awesome even with
I appreciate your thoughts, Jeremy. I actually find it MUCH more satisfying
to hear that there is an inherent flaw or downside to the Tektro brake
rather than there being an issue with how I have it set up.
I'm going to stick with them, refresh cables and housing, and probably grab
some
I second (or third) the suggestion to switch to Yokozuna salmon pads.
On Monday, December 20, 2021 at 10:00:06 AM UTC-8 Jeremy Till wrote:
> Unfortunately the VO Grand Cru brakes are 47-57mm reach and the sidepull
> Sams were designed for 55-76mm reach brakes. The nomenclature gets
> confusing
Unfortunately the VO Grand Cru brakes are 47-57mm reach and the sidepull
Sams were designed for 55-76mm reach brakes. The nomenclature gets
confusing because for a while the former was the spec for "long reach"
caliper brakes, until the latter came along. Following Paul Components, who
used to
I should clarify on pad distance...
I've used the Calvin from Park Tool method of determining pad clearance by
how far back I can pull the brake lever. The pads touch the rim when
pulling the lever almost halfway back. The levers are at least 1" from the
hoods when the pads are firmly in
Hey Garth,
I have Kool Stop salmon pads in now. Everything on the bike looks set up
perfectly with housing and such...it's an original Riv build so I'm
assuming it was done expertly.
Rim to pad distance...well, I guess I can't find a really good way to tell
how close they *should *be. I know
Ben, If you have stock Tektro pads replace them as I've never met one
worth a darn. Any mentioned are fine. Also cable housing end finishes into
the ferrules, is everything flush ? What's the rim to pad distance ? Check
all that before setting out to tear your bars apart !
In the real world
Ryan,
Thanks for that...if Jan likes them, I'm sure I would, too. His one gripe,
though, is that they don't open up wide enough to clear a 31mm tire. I take
off my front wheel to transport my bike to trails...I guess I could just
deflate/inflate when I do that. I'll give it some thought.
VO Grand Cru brakes are good. Jan Heine reviewed them very favorably here.
Not dead cheap but they're good looking and they work well. I replaced some
Super Record brakes with these paired with TRP RRL's and I have no
complaints.
Sorry...the VO reviewer said the Grand Cru brakes *could not* fit a fully
inflated 35mm tire.
On Monday, December 20, 2021 at 10:08:03 AM UTC-6 Ben Mihovk wrote:
> Thanks for the thoughts!
>
> I have the Yokozuna salmon pads on the v-brakes on the Atlantis and I love
> them. I might try
Thanks for the thoughts!
I have the Yokozuna salmon pads on the v-brakes on the Atlantis and I love
them. I might try replacing the Kool Stop pads with those.
I just looked at the Grand Cru brakes and am VERY tempted. Definitely have
a stronger/stiffer look to them than the R559. One reviewer
+1 on replacing the stock pads, which are bad, especially in the rain. I
replaced mine with the Yokozuna pads Rivendell sells, but I'm sure the Kool
Stop would be an improvement as well.
Tom in Alexandria, VA
On Monday, December 20, 2021 at 10:24:34 AM UTC-5 Shoji Takahashi wrote:
> Hi Ben,
>
Hi Ben,
For rim brakes, it's hard to beat the power of V-brakes.
Side-pull R559 is at a further disadvantage because of the arm length. They
worked ok on my AHH, but I changed to Paul centerpulls, which seem to have
more power. I recall reading that VO's Grand Cru brakes work well-- perhaps
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