Could someone please email me off group with my first post to the helmet
thread? I wanted to use part of it in a blog post.
With abandon,
Patrick
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Did I miss something while I was away? What happened to the helmet thread?
Did it get nixed for some reason or another?
On Monday, April 1, 2019 at 5:52:50 PM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:
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> Sure, Joe.
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> On Mon, Apr 1, 2019 at 1:36 PM Joe Bernard > wrote:
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>> - I'm still weighing the questio
What happened to the original thread? Did it get too contentious?
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I'll be sure to choose a modern helmet over a hairnet when I whack myself
over the head with an Indian club.
I'd rather say a prayer. (And I do, sharing The Deacon's proclivities. At
any rate, a brief prayer looks better than helmet hair and is guaranteed
-Amen! - more effective than an herbal nec
Sure, Joe.
On Mon, Apr 1, 2019 at 1:36 PM Joe Bernard wrote:
> - I'm still weighing the question and hoping for more evidence -
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> Put a helmet on, bang your head on a wall. Take off helmet, repeat.
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I don’t think anyone here believes a helmet offers a magical level of
protection in a serious crash. But as I and others have observed in this
thread, a helmet absolutely can keep your face off the blacktop. As I went
skidding along the ground in my last bad crash, I was grateful it was the side
Interesting point, Edwin, and I know exactly what you mean.
I'm often on construction sites as part of my job, and the single easiest
way to guarantee I'll bang my head on scaffolding is to make me put on my
hard hat.
Still and all, and much like Steve's example above, I'm always glad to be
Joe, you hit the nail on the head (or head on the wall). I know what I want on
my head when I’m banging it into a wall.
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I was the Workshop Chair for the 1974 Great Eastern Rally in
Poughkeepsie NY. The MSR bicycle helmet was only weeks away from
introduction, and a friend who was involved in its development put on a
workshop about it. After comparing it to the leather hairnet racing
helmets of the day, he conc
- I'm still weighing the question and hoping for more evidence -
Put a helmet on, bang your head on a wall. Take off helmet, repeat.
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Jeff,
I would add one under-studied disadvantage of wearing a helmet:
You are more likely to hit your head on things when you have a helmet on
than when you do not have one on. I have not seen this scientifically
studied (yet!), but I have experienced it myself. Your body is so well
trained to
My understanding is Amsterdam has an entire cycle route infrastructure separate
from automobiles. Which still isn't going to help you if you plotz on the
pavement and crack your head, but I'm guessing the likelihood of such a mishap
is greatly reduced by not dodging cars and their potholes on th
All of the below, but principally because I don't like doing something when
I see no good reason for it -- per my earlier posts. I often wonder if
there *are* good reasons, but I haven't seen them yet. I'm still weighing
the question and hoping for more evidence.
As far as I know, wearing a helmet
I generally did not wear helmets for the last 50+ years of cycling, unless
required by an event or club. They did not have helmets when I started
cycling (other than the hard to locate leather hair net style), and once
they did, my head was too big and they did not fit well. I actually had one
Eric, I think the idea is “glimpse cognition recognition” (a technical term I
just made up). Riding down a trail, I am always scanning ahead, scouting my
line of travel as I impliment it. I don’t identify most trees as I pass, but I
do notice branches sticking out that effect my line and adjust
Given that there’s so much concern out there about whether motorists notice
cyclists at all, it’s nice to see that some drivers (see item #5) pay so much
attention that they discern whether we’re wearing a helmet and adjust passing
distances accordingly. I wish that was the case, but I don’t thi
Garth, you are in good company!
On Mon, Apr 1, 2019 at 12:44 PM Patrick Moore wrote:
> In an appreciation of John Dryden.
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>> On 4/1/19 1:19 PM, Patrick Moore wrote:
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>> "He delighted to tread upon the brink of meaning."
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In an appreciation of John Dryden.
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On Mon, Apr 1, 2019 at 11:42 AM Steve Palincsar wrote:
> Libquotes attributes it to Samuel Johnson, but doesn't source it beyond
> that.
> On 4/1/19 1:19 PM, Patrick Moore wrote:
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> "He delighted to tread upon the brink of meaning."
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> 5 g
Edited because remembered:
6) Something else about how helmets snap back your head and neck on
(frontal?) impact and possibly make things worse
Jeff Hagedorn
Los Angeles, CA USA
On Monday, April 1, 2019 at 11:42:02 AM UTC-7, sameness wrote:
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> I have often wondered the same thing. And by often
I have often wondered the same thing. And by often I mean at least three
times, maybe four.
E... off the top of my head:
1) Helmet hair
2) Heat/ventilation/general discomfort
3) Personal liberty/bodily autonomy/1%er
4) Something about how when you wear a helmet you are more likely to be a
Was just thinking that.
I can’t really see any downside to wearing a helmet; at the very least it will
save the noggin from lacerations.
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😂 😂 😂
On Saturday, 30 March 2019 05:44:23 UTC-7, alan lavine wrote:
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> Thank you, Garth, for clarifying a complex issue.
> Alan
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> On Saturday, March 30, 2019 at 5:43:22 AM UTC-4, Garth wrote:
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>> Life is Living and Living is Life. Indivisibility, Infinity . Life
>> cannot harm
Why not always pay extra attention? :p
On Sunday, March 31, 2019 at 6:42:52 PM UTC-7, MCT wrote:
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> +1 on the helmet. I forgot mine for a ride last week on the bike path. I
> still rode, felt out of place and paid extra attention.
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Dear friends,
This is a fascinatingly humble and civil thread! ❤️
Two summers ago I decided to stop wearing a helmet after I realized that
mine was about 10 years old and I'd been told that they should be replaced
every 3 years. My B.S.-o'meter went off and since then I've been working on
Libquotes attributes it to Samuel Johnson, but doesn't source it beyond
that.
On 4/1/19 1:19 PM, Patrick Moore wrote:
"He delighted to tread upon the brink of meaning."
5 gold stars to anyone who can attribute this dictum.
Garth, I love you.
Over and out.
Patrick Moore, currently helmetless
"He delighted to tread upon the brink of meaning."
5 gold stars to anyone who can attribute this dictum.
Garth, I love you.
Over and out.
Patrick Moore, currently helmetless at his keyboard in ABQ, NM.
On Sat, Mar 30, 2019 at 3:43 AM Garth wrote:
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> Life is Living and Living is Life. Ind
I am pretty sure that I pay more attention to my riding when riding fixed,
and while riding sans helmet. Can't say I feel out of place, though.
Danny MacAskill is pretty amazing, but I wonder how many trial (heh heh)
runs and editing led up to that very fun video. Did he really do that hay
bale tr
Reminds me of the time I complained to our local police officer about the
“adults” in our neighborhood running stop signs in their cars. His comeback
was that my kids (under the age of 10) should be more careful.
Bill S
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https://www.outsideonline.com/2391240/guilty-until-proven-helmeted
On Saturday, March 30, 2019 at 5:37:00 AM UTC+3, Mark Schneider wrote:
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> Good evening,
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> A recent experience has made me curious on everyones opinion of wearing
> helmets. To some, it seems against the standard Rivend
https://www.outsideonline.com/2392750/safety-numbers-vs-safety-numbers
On Saturday, March 30, 2019 at 5:37:00 AM UTC+3, Mark Schneider wrote:
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> Good evening,
>
> A recent experience has made me curious on everyones opinion of wearing
> helmets. To some, it seems against the standard Rivendell e
Leah, you should point The Clem Rider to any one of Danny MacAskill's
videos. Arguably the most talented trick bike rider out there. He wears a
helmet, so if The Clem Rider wants to be REALLY cool like Danny, he should
wear a helmet! Heck, get him a helmet cam too! Of course, this may give
+1 on the helmet. I forgot mine for a ride last week on the bike path. I
still rode, felt out of place and paid extra attention.
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There ya go. I'm pretty sure this is the thing Grant and I chatted about on
that ride.
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I agree that was a good presentation. Although of course there are no stats
available on "the odds" or "the consequences." Which I believe was one of
Edwin's points.
One situation where I would heartily recommend helmet use: when bringing up
this topic on iBoB. Nice to give people the space to
I used to wear a helmet 100% of the time because of habit. I was used to
wearing a helmet mtb'ing. Now it's about 90% after I forgot my helmet
leaving a friend's house. The ride by the ocean felt great. Sun was
shining, wind in my hair, view around me was better. Was a few miles
before I re
On Sat, Mar 30, 2019 at 6:08 PM 'Abcyclehank' via RBW Owners Bunch <
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> Edwin,
> You have perfectly presented logic, stats, comparisons, and whimsy to
> cover all the bases of Helmet use IMHO. Free will allows us each to make
> make the best individual cho
Edwin,
You have perfectly presented logic, stats, comparisons, and whimsy to cover all
the bases of Helmet use IMHO. Free will allows us each to make make the best
individual choice for “ourselves” based on are willingness to accept the odds
and consequences.
Thank you all for remaining civil
On 3/30/19 4:52 PM, Leah Peterson wrote:
Yeah, the #0 blade isn’t gonna work out. I can re-do braids fairly
easily, but GEEZ, helmets destroy the body and curl of a good hair day.
Well, that's true, but if you go down and slide on the side of your head
instead of on the side of your helmet
That helmet ROCKS 🙂
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Those gulls have been busy on your helmet, Leah! Grin.
Great helmet and great color and great non-racer, everyday look!
I shifted to wearing red. It is not the utility worker/bike racer flourescent,
but the human eye ALWAYS sees it. I first noticed this with the red winged
blackbird. I could te
Thanks, Patrick! Off to play some Motörhead, sing along if you know the
words, ha.
Jeff Hagedorn
Los Angeles, CA USA
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>From helmets to religion. I love the internet.
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Actually, Jeff, God’s love for us is so much more amazing than that. The gift
of free will is that we can absolutely get out of God’s way, and God will honor
that. The catch? He gives us what we want, at the point of our death,
irrevocably, for eternity. Hell is a gift of love from God to those
Indeed, we do. If God wants to teach me a lesson, I'm guessing there's not
a lot I can do to get out of His way. Let's be honest, I don't think the
latest in MIPS technology would've done the Sodomites any good.
Jeff Hagedorn
Los Angeles, CA USA
On Saturday, March 30, 2019 at 12:44:15 PM UTC-7,
Oster clippers with a #0 blade once every two weeks takes care of the
helmet hair issue for me. YMMV.
Chris
On Saturday, March 30, 2019 at 3:31:26 PM UTC-4, Joe Bernard wrote:
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> As for Leah's hair question..yeah, that's a tough one. I do ok when it's
> short, but after it grows out a bit I h
Same same, Sameness. I very occasionally pop out the door for a store run sans
helmet and it just feels wrong. I know it's a dumb idea so what's the point?
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Och, Jeff! We have very different understandings of the scope and power of
prayer, which I know and experience to help always and everywhere. I agree with
you on the knowledge of physics though. Grin.
With abandon,
Patrick
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Me, I just don't want road rash on my skull.
If I am going down, and there's nothing between my head and the pavement, a
firm grasp of the relevant science and data surrounding impact and injury
is going to help me just as much thoughts and prayers, which is to say,
absolutely not at all.
Jef
As for Leah's hair question..yeah, that's a tough one. I do ok when it's short,
but after it grows out a bit I have to swap from helmet to cap to go into a
store. Short for the kid should work, but for your long hair can you do helmet
first for the morning ride, then style it up later?
I'm not
I find impacts and road rash are less annoying with a helmet as a social
lubricant in conversations with offending objects and surfaces.
And I have some friends suffering from permanent brain damage, and I would
rather not share their experiences.
Besides, my wife has treated clients for the ps
Thank you, Garth, for clarifying a complex issue.
Alan
NYC
On Saturday, March 30, 2019 at 5:43:22 AM UTC-4, Garth wrote:
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> Life is Living and Living is Life. Indivisibility, Infinity . Life
> cannot harm or heal Life for the simple fact that *Life Itself Living is
> Living Itself Life .
The crash Mark experienced can hardly be said to have been the result of
"risk compensation." It fits better into the /bad shit happens
unexpectedly and without warning/ category. As for statistics, I am
wholeheartedly with Christopher: /I've hit my head on the ground with
and without a helme
And/being there/ is more fun when you are /all ther/e, don't you think?
On 3/30/19 5:43 AM, Garth wrote:
Life is Living and Living is Life. Indivisibility, Infinity . Life
cannot harm or heal Life for the simple fact that *_Life Itself Living
is Living Itself Life _ .*
Life is Life's Own
Life is Living and Living is Life. Indivisibility, Infinity . Life cannot
harm or heal Life for the simple fact that *Life Itself Living is Living
Itself Life .*
Life is Life's Own-Life..
BEING The BEING That BEING Be BEING ITSELF* . * The who, what,
where, when, why and how .
Smile .
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Grant short version: A helmet has some benefit in certain events, which is
possibly statistically canceled out by risk compensation: The sense that a
helmet makes you feel safer so you take more risks. He's not anti-helmet.
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> To some, it seems against the standard Rivendell ethos to wear a helmet.
I think you're misinterpreting the ethos. The ethos is closer to: it's an
individual choice; respect the choice of others; and remember bike helmets
may not work as well as you think they would.
Grant covers the topic i
Mark, for the record, I wear a helmet ever since I was hit by a car (hit
and run driver). I was not wearing a helmet at the time. The driver ran
right through a stop sign and directly into my left side in the middle of
the intersection. I was thrown up onto the hood of the car, and rolled off,
This. I have been in several bad crashes, broken more bones on a bike than
I care to say, and was always glad to have worn a helmet when I did. No
matter how safe and skilled a rider you are, if you ride a lot you *will*
crash, or be hit by an idiot in a car, and if you are wearing a helmet, you
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