When I was travelling a lot for work about 20 years ago, I bought myself a
2nd hand Air Friday, and took it on a large number of business trips. It
came with it's own medium size hard shell suitcase into which it packed for
transport. Unpacking and assembling it from the suitcase took 10-15
or Dahon Allegro:
https://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/dahon-allegro-breakaway-folding-bike-194833770
On Thursday, June 18, 2020 at 4:41:28 PM UTC-7, Jay Lonner wrote:
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> I'm interested in building up travel bikes for my wife and me. Our
> intended use is credit card touring in continental
Dahon Tournado info:
https://www.adventurecycling.org/sites/default/assets/resources/200806_Cyclesense_Schubert.pdf
On Thursday, June 18, 2020 at 4:41:28 PM UTC-7, Jay Lonner wrote:
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> I'm interested in building up travel bikes for my wife and me. Our
> intended use is credit card touring in
Jay, they are on ebay, Steve
On Mon, Jun 22, 2020 at 2:52 PM Jay Lonner wrote:
> Ryan, thanks for the heads up - not sure what bikes you’re referring to
> though. Are these on eBay or Craigslist or ...?
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> Jay Lonner
> Bellingham, WA
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> > On Jun 22, 2020, at 11:41
I have a Dahon Tournado, bought off CL locally. It’s the only one I’ve ever
seen, clearly made by Richey. It’s a very comfortable real, regular bike that
gets frequent use around town. Just so happens you can take the frame
apartI’ve traveled with it 3-4 times and never paid for oversized
Ryan, thanks for the heads up - not sure what bikes you’re referring to
though. Are these on eBay or Craigslist or ...?
Jay Lonner
Bellingham, WA
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> On Jun 22, 2020, at 11:41 AM, 'Abcyclehank' via RBW Owners Bunch
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> Jay,
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> There are two really nice
Jay,
There are two really nice slightly used NWT Bike Friday’s with Rohloff hubs (2
previous European Tours). One large one Small, designed for 6’2” male rider
and a 5’3” female rider.
Possibly the seller could give your relevant info about your travel desires as
well.
Could Buy both Now
The frames themselves are sized. The length of the maintube, seatmast, and stem
riser are all custom specified. Things like Rohloff dropouts and special cable
guides and braze-ons can be specified as well.
These steps involve real conversations with real people, not just filling out a
form on
They did a cosmetic attempt recently with a sand/orange color scheme, a nifty
front bag and spares you can take along on your big Brompton expedition, but it
was the same 6-speed M or H model. It looked cool!
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I keep hoping brompton is gonna get a model out that capitalizes on the gravel
wave before it dies down. The brompton fold is pretty amazing. I feel like it
wouldn’t be super hard to get us more tire clearance or to release a 20” model.
Wishful thinking.
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Thanks for taking the time to do this and report back. I love the picture
of the Brompton, BF, and Atlantis lined up next to one another!
I'm increasingly leaning toward BF as being the best all-around compromise
for my needs. The quick fold option seems just fine for throwing in the
back of a
"...while for Joe, it seems foldability is more important."
Yes, and I started at the OP wanting a travel bike he could occasionally toss
(two of them) into a dinghy. That sounds like "compact and easy to fold" to me,
but everyone has their own tolerance of how big and complex a fold can be.
Julian,
That sort of confirms my suspicion. Six speeds wouldn’t do it for me. I
want range and smallish steps which is why all my bikes are 3x. 1x doesn’t
interest me, 2x I hate. In the end I can play with my BF gearing just as
much as any of my other bikes and so it can always sub in.
In my relatively short tests I was surprised how similar both the Brompton
and BF felt to me -- the smaller wheel and narrower tire on the Brompton
gave a bit more bumpiness, but the elastomer rear end on the Brompton
smoothed that out. I was expecting a bigger =difference -- but at least in
: June 21, 2020 4:01 PMTo: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.comReply-to: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.comSubject: [RBW] Re: Travel bikes Bill, I think that depends upon how you have both bikes set up. The Brompton is available with 1to 6 gears, and i think the BF is available with 1 to 21 gears
Bill,
I think that depends upon how you have both bikes set up. The Brompton is
available with 1to 6 gears, and i think the BF is available with 1 to 21
gears, with widely varying ratios.,
In my case I have a 6-speed Brompton (3-speed internal plus a 2 speed
freewheel), my friend's BF has
There it is! I don't know if GP had any hand in the geometry but the high bars
and component list are certainly mid-'00s Riv Country Bike stuff, which still
wasn't a widespread thing back then.
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the Dahon Tournado was rumored to have had input from Grant:
https://www.fawkes-cycles.co.uk/1547710/products/dahon-tournado-700c-bike.aspx
On Thursday, June 18, 2020 at 4:41:28 PM UTC-7, Jay Lonner wrote:
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> I'm interested in building up travel bikes for my wife and me. Our
> intended use is
But of course - circling back to the OP - Brompton is a great folder that
rides. Bike Friday is a better bike for long distance that can also be folded
and packed. I'm not doing 40 miles on my Brompton, and probably not 10.
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What I found fiddly to the point of unlivable with my NWT (derailer model) when
folding was it was a project to keep the chain on, and the stem/mast just
popped off and you rested it on the bike. Brompton folds efficiently and
startlingly small into one easy-carry package.
I wouldn't claim -
Julian,
Do the Bromptons have the same gear range as the BF? The only folder I’ve ever
ridden is my BF NWT with gearing range comparable to my “regular” bikes. I’ve
been under the impression, possibly false, that most folders don’t have that
capability. As far as folding and unfolding, I
I don't remember that, Joe. Not saying it didn't happen; I just don't have
a memory of it.
The only bike I recall Grant having direct input on was the SOMA San
Marcos, which we sold at RBW.
He did give some advice to XtraCycle about head-tube angles early on, as I
recall. Don't quote me on
Follow up question - when flying with a bike of any sort there’s the question
of what to do with the case. I know that BF offers a trailer conversion but I
prefer panniers. People also talk about shipping the empty case to your
destination, or even using a cardboard box that you dispose of upon
John, didn't that turn into a Dahon project? I vaguely recall a Breakaway road
bike from them that was referenced as having some design influence from Grant.
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Interesting Rivendell-related footnote:
The Bleriot decals and head badge were originally designed for a take-apart
travel bike (along the lines of the Ritchey "break-away").
Never happened, and when the opportunity to make a frame in collaboration
with QBP came up, the Bleriot decals, etc.
I'm going to be the third to chime in with Nate and Aeroperf. I was living
in Southeast Asia for most of the past couple of years and have found
airlines, in general, are very accommodating to the standard bicycle in a
cardboard box. Some airlines even include it in the price, depending on
You can build a BF with friction and MotoLites for sure. If you don't start
with frame-only you can always get the complete 'basic build' NWT with v-brakes
and be annoyed at how well it works before ditching the parts for stuff you
prefer.
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After living in Europe for years and then going over for tours for years, I
got tired of rent-a-bikes. For a while I used Nate in Oakland’s solution
and shipped my Sam. Finally I built up what I consider a perfect credit
card touring bike, and based it over there.
So - a Soma Saga with
I've owned several BF, S coupled Surly LHT & Salsa Vaya Travel, Ritchie
BreakAway and a Brompton each with a different purpose and each with some
issues. Recently built a Velo-Orange Neutrino Mini-Velo. If you do not need
an XL which is outsize then it is a good option with relatively short
If cost were not an option, I would look at R's UTB with travel option
and Rohloff. It's a 26" wheel bike that fits in a 26" x 26" case. Not
inexpensive but it's a normal bike when put together.
https://www.rodbikes.com/catalog/utb/utb-main.html
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