Re: [RBW] Who was RBW back in the 1960's?

2013-12-19 Thread Ron Mc
On Tuesday, December 17, 2013 12:06:21 PM UTC-6, Bill Lindsay wrote: You mean like this? Sat Night and Sun Morning https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zJAeb0wiQjA btw Bill, I spent a month trying to identify the head badge on the classic lightweight Albert Finney was riding every day to the

Re: [RBW] Who was RBW back in the 1960's?

2013-12-19 Thread Bill Lindsay
GREAT pull! Holdsworth On Thursday, December 19, 2013 6:53:01 AM UTC-8, Ron Mc wrote: On Tuesday, December 17, 2013 12:06:21 PM UTC-6, Bill Lindsay wrote: You mean like this? Sat Night and Sun Morning https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zJAeb0wiQjA btw Bill, I spent a month trying to

Re: [RBW] Who was RBW back in the 1960's?

2013-12-17 Thread Ron Mc
My vote goes to Mercian. On Tuesday, December 17, 2013 1:04:12 AM UTC-6, Tim McNamara wrote: On Dec 17, 2013, at 12:27 AM, Michael john1...@gmail.com javascript: wrote: Who made the USA's finest lugged, steel, frames back then and what were the prices like? Albert Eisentraut

RE: [RBW] Who was RBW back in the 1960's?

2013-12-17 Thread Allingham II, Thomas J
Isn't Mercian British? From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [mailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ron Mc Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2013 8:25 AM To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Cc: tim...@bitstream.net Subject: Re: [RBW] Who was RBW back in the 1960's? My vote goes

Re: [RBW] Who was RBW back in the 1960's?

2013-12-17 Thread Ron Mc
If you don't mind a little off topic historical perspective. I collect and repair antique fly reels. The US-made reels were all good designs that came off an assembly line, where manufacturing process design was first and foremost. The Pflueger Medalist was the premiere American production

Re: [RBW] Who was RBW back in the 1960's?

2013-12-17 Thread Ron Mc
*To:* rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com javascript: *Cc:* tim...@bitstream.net javascript: *Subject:* Re: [RBW] Who was RBW back in the 1960's? My vote goes to Mercian. On Tuesday, December 17, 2013 1:04:12 AM UTC-6, Tim McNamara wrote: On Dec 17, 2013, at 12:27 AM, Michael john1

Re: [RBW] Who was RBW back in the 1960's?

2013-12-17 Thread Eric Norris
Which is, of course, the source of Mericun frames. Eric N www.CampyOnly.com CampyOnlyGuy.blogspot.com Twitter: @CampyOnlyGuy On Dec 17, 2013, at 6:24 AM, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote: On 12/17/2013 08:44 AM, Ron Mc wrote: well yes, Mercian is in Mercia. not to be confused with

Re: [RBW] Who was RBW back in the 1960's?

2013-12-17 Thread Eric Norris
Schwinn was making beautiful, lugged Paramounts back in those days. Those bikes are very collectable and are still ridden today. Eric N www.CampyOnly.com CampyOnlyGuy.blogspot.com Twitter: @CampyOnlyGuy On Dec 16, 2013, at 10:27 PM, Michael john11.2...@gmail.com wrote: Who made the USA's

Re: [RBW] Who was RBW back in the 1960's?

2013-12-17 Thread Steve Palincsar
On 12/17/2013 08:44 AM, Ron Mc wrote: well yes, Mercian is in Mercia. not to be confused with 'Merica On Tuesday, December 17, 2013 7:32:06 AM UTC-6, Pudge wrote: Isn’t Mercian British? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch

Re: [RBW] Who was RBW back in the 1960's?

2013-12-17 Thread Ron Mc
I agree Paramounts are gorgeous handmade frames, and is likely the pinnacle of American handmade bicycles during the time - and maybe the only example we'll come up with.. Does it count the same as the branded Waterford frames? But if you look at the flagships, Varsity vs. Grand Prix - there

Re: [RBW] Who was RBW back in the 1960's?

2013-12-17 Thread Ron Mc
King of Mercia frame goes back to at least 1956. http://www.classiclightweights.co.uk/builders/mercian2.html IMO, probably the most Riv-esque frame of the period. On Tuesday, December 17, 2013 8:51:20 AM UTC-6, Ron Mc wrote: I agree Paramounts are gorgeous handmade frames, and is likely

Re: [RBW] Who was RBW back in the 1960's?

2013-12-17 Thread Matthew J
As I understand the history, Waterford is a direct successor from the factory originally started by Wastyn and Schwinn to build Paramounts. The U.S. did not really have a Rivendell-like company in the 1960s. Schwinn was still dominant at the time. The Chicago facility made Schwinn branded

Re: [RBW] Who was RBW back in the 1960's?

2013-12-17 Thread Montclair BobbyB
I think you're right.. Schwinn (Paramount) was the only company (at least that I can recall) manufacturing lugged racing/touring frames in the US in the 60s. There were other US brands in the mass-market (like Rollfast, Columbia, Huffy, etc), but I don't recall any of them focusing on racing

Re: [RBW] Who was RBW back in the 1960's?

2013-12-17 Thread Ron Mc
Bobby, I tried to answer that above with my fishing reel analogy. Artisan shops were production in the UK, while assembly lines were production in the US. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v728/bulldog1935/young/dickerson%20cat/reels.jpg As late as the '50s, Hardy reels were stamped

Re: [RBW] Who was RBW back in the 1960's?

2013-12-17 Thread Ron Mc
Matthew, there was a very trick '73 (Japanese) World Voyager posted on the CABE yesterday http://thecabe.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?51177-1973-Schwinn-World-Voyageur On Tuesday, December 17, 2013 9:25:50 AM UTC-6, Matthew J wrote: As I understand the history, Waterford is a direct

Re: [RBW] Who was RBW back in the 1960's?

2013-12-17 Thread Matthew J
Thanks Ron. IMO those Japanese Schwinns were as close as one would find to the Riv model in the U.S. at the time. The owner did a great job on the restoration too. On Tuesday, December 17, 2013 10:46:19 AM UTC-6, Ron Mc wrote: Matthew, there was a very trick '73 (Japanese) World Voyager

Re: [RBW] Who was RBW back in the 1960's?

2013-12-17 Thread Steve Palincsar
On 12/17/2013 11:27 AM, Ron Mc wrote: Bobby, I tried to answer that above with my fishing reel analogy. Artisan shops were production in the UK, while assembly lines were production in the US. I'm pretty sure that most Raleigh bicycle production in the UK qualified as assembly line rather

Re: [RBW] Who was RBW back in the 1960's?

2013-12-17 Thread Steve Palincsar
On 12/17/2013 10:25 AM, Matthew J wrote: Without googling, I do not recall off hand whether the Japanese Schwinns were available in the 1960s or 1970s. 1970s after 1970. Images of the 1960-1970 Schwinn catalogs are on-line here: http://waterfordbikes.com/SchwinnCat/flschwinn_1961_1970/ --

Re: [RBW] Who was RBW back in the 1960's?

2013-12-17 Thread Bill Lindsay
Steve, You mean like this? Sat Night and Sun Morning https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zJAeb0wiQjA On Tuesday, December 17, 2013 9:20:33 AM UTC-8, Steve Palincsar wrote: On 12/17/2013 11:27 AM, Ron Mc wrote: Bobby, I tried to answer that above with my fishing reel analogy. Artisan shops

Re: [RBW] Who was RBW back in the 1960's?

2013-12-17 Thread Steve Palincsar
On 12/17/2013 01:06 PM, Bill Lindsay wrote: Steve, You mean like this? Sat Night and Sun Morning https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zJAeb0wiQjA No, like this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XOE0DbfWqyo -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners

Re: [RBW] Who was RBW back in the 1960's?

2013-12-17 Thread Jim Cloud
The market for quality lugged bicycle framed bicycles in the U.S. for adults was virtually non-existent before the U.S. Bike Boom that began in the early 1970's. What little demand existed was more than accommodated by the Schwinn Paramount for domestic buyers and imports from England, France

[RBW] Who was RBW back in the 1960's?

2013-12-16 Thread Michael
Who made the USA's finest lugged, steel, frames back then and what were the prices like? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to

Re: [RBW] Who was RBW back in the 1960's?

2013-12-16 Thread Tim McNamara
On Dec 17, 2013, at 12:27 AM, Michael john11.2...@gmail.com wrote: Who made the USA's finest lugged, steel, frames back then and what were the prices like? Albert Eisentraut was sort of the granddaddy of American frame builders, so perhaps him. Tom Ritchey built fine lugged frames in