I will check them out! Thanks!
> On Nov 29, 2019, at 8:26 AM, Max S wrote:
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> David,
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> Have you considered Berthoud stainless steel fenders?.. They are a tad
> heavier than the aluminum versions from VO or Honjo, but they are quite
> robust. I acquired a pre-owned set via Adam and they’d
David,
Have you considered Berthoud stainless steel fenders?.. They are a tad heavier
than the aluminum versions from VO or Honjo, but they are quite robust. I
acquired a pre-owned set via Adam and they’d been on my rando bike that I had
ridden more than a few times in the winter, and now they
Yes for the Clem and HillyBikes the tandem cable is what you get,
this is what Will @Riv told me when I asked about anything I ought to know
beforehand that's beyond "regular" ... in other words . "are there any
surprises ?"
On Wednesday, November 27, 2019 at 5:00:12 PM UTC-5
FWIW, I've often bought tandem-specified cable + housing for bikes with
disc brakes and full-length-housing from bar down down tube and along
chainstay to rear caliper, just to be sure. A tandem cable will work with
any long-stayed Riv single, I'll bet.
On Wed, Nov 27, 2019 at 11:07 AM Dorothy C
My cable challenge when I was building my 2019 45cm Clem L was that the rear
brake cable length I needed exceeded what was in the Rivendell Yokozuna brake
kit.
I had to use almost the entire housing length from the package for the rear
brake and order a new extra long Shimano mountain bike cabl
Och! I forgot to include one of the biggest lessons I've yet to get very
good at: the inanimate are stunningly gifted at knowing how the will and
won't work: my challenge is to learn to listen. Grin.
With abandon,
Patrick
On Tuesday, November 26, 2019 at 6:28:32 PM UTC-7, Deacon Patrick wrote:
An early lesson I learned in my foray into doing most of my own bike
mechanics was how very desperately I needed to apprentice with Saint Joseph
in his workshop. He is expert at taking stunningly raw material and
crafting beautiful things through loving patience, perseverance, charity,
et al. H
Joyce! I love being in the Clem Club with you! You have yours set up so nicely,
and I love to see how happy your Clem makes you. Are you decking it out with
Christmas lights and sleigh bells again this year? I laughed out loud at your
Clem Song. Truly, this is now our anthem.
Friends - if you a
Leah, yes I’m in the Clem Club! It’s dark green and though I would have
preferred silver or that dreamy blue, I’m embracing the color and just
enjoying the ride so much it really doesn’t matter. I once called
Rivendell to see if I could get a Clementine sticker for it, but no luck.
I’d LOVE to ha
JAS,
Thanks so much for the note! You ride a Clem too? I knew you were good people.
I, too, have learned so much from this conversation; I was so frustrated and
felt stuck in the fender situation, and now it’s solved and I am relieved. Even
better is that it has been so *enjoyable*; I really w
If you love the Ergon grips and your brown or honey saddle as much as I like
mine, you can always get the biokork Ergons
https://www.rei.com/product/884443/ergon-gp1-biokork-handlebar-grips?CAWELAID=12021789752296&CAGPSPN=pla&CAAGID=15877513960&CATCI=pla-448206113671&cm_mmc=PLA_Google%7C404_
Thanks for the conversation, Leah. I am learning a lot by reading the advice
and experience from other posters. Though I might be repeating what you’ve
already heard from others, here’s my take on your questions:
1. I agree with the others; falls from fender jams are unlikely in your riding
c
If you mean that your ordered the VO metal clips, I'd suggest just using
them; I think that the danger of clogging the fender while riding
smooth-tread tires on pavement is so small as to be negligible. And,
perhaps these are made in USA!
On Thu, Nov 21, 2019 at 6:44 PM Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!
Steve is correct - that’s what PDW described to me. So maybe not an actual
breakaway, but a design work-around. I’m not sure a mechanic would know what I
meant, so I’ll bring the PDW breakaways when I have the fenders installed.
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Patrick Moore, are you going to ruin this for me? Oh fine, I just ordered the
breakaways (they’re a grand total of $11 and change with shipping) and then I
have them, come what may.
A tip: The very nice guy on the phone said they have very few left in the shop;
get them now! If they are out he
Are metal R clips "break away"? Those I've used seem to hold the struts
pretty tightly. I'll be glad if they are, since that's what I am using now
on the Matthews.
Now, I do think that *plastic* R clips release easily; but metal? Can
anyone confirm -- or correct -- the PDW opinion?
I just looked
I called PDW, and wow, were they helpful. I only meant to ask about the
breakaways fitting other fenders, VO specifically. The guy was *so* nice and
said, “Actually, I think VO has a system in place for break away already - I
think it’s called ‘R clips.’” Sure enough, those clips are listed amon
Nice steed masmojo. I like the green saddle bag against the orange frame. Leah,
I am enjoying your quest to personalize your bike! I’m on the hunt for a Clem L
52 but will be patient and wait. My old GT mountain bike commuter conversion is
really a nice ride. Old school steel.
Doug
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> On Nov 21, 2019, at 3:12 PM, Steve Palincsar wrote:
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> Here's what they look like installed:
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> The end of the fender stay simply fits into the tab. That should work with
> any fender stay that
Well gee Leah, I have the P50 fenders on my Bombadil, they've been on
there since I bought it. This year I got some 700x50mm Big Bens.The actual
fender width is a little more than 50mm , and the tire a little less, *and
there is more than enough vertical clearance*... as in however much I wa
Yes, those thingeys work on the fenders you want. Yay!!! 🕺💃
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Steve, is this a real possibility??? These clips will work on VO fenders???
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> On Nov 21, 2019, at 2:56 PM, Steve Palincsar wrote:
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> So you get the fenders you like and the PDW safety tabs Patrick mentioned,
> nine bucks a set, and you quit angsting.
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> https:
Mad (Kev), no one need worry about stealing my thunder. It’s an equal
opportunity Clem thread, so carry on. Your Clementine is so sweet. ❤️
Joe - I wonder if you’ll forgive me when I tell you I ordered the blue Brooks.
Maybe overkill is my jam? Also, I got a good deal on it - $95 before taxes fr
I can confirm that stealing Leah's thunder is futile, she just brings more
thunder.
Nice Clementine in an excellent color! 🍊
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Not trying to steal Leah's thunder, but I've referenced my Clementine a few
times and it occurs to me there's no point of reference, because I have no real
idea how to post pictures, but this one is mine.
https://photos.app.goo.gl/hesv4VLThm7nDuWy9
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I think the blue saddle on a blue frame is blue overkill. The black with
hammered rivets and copper rails is my jam*
* "is my jam" is a Leah phrase which I have stolen to advise Leah 😁
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Hi, Leah.
That royal is purdy!!!
Why don't you wrap a black shirt around your current saddle. Do you like
the look? It is quite different from the honey saddle look, but probably
looks better with your grey/black grips.
Do you have a deep royal shirt? Try the seat wrap with that. Do you li
Patrick, thanks for the link to the PDW Beast fenders, I was not aware of those
& I think they might be a great match for my Clementine.
I was unsure about fenders for it & was leaning towards the wide flat Honjo's,
but I think this has made my mind up!
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Leah and Joe, thanks for the advice and the welcome. Sorry about the weird
lag in posting and replying, but I was new so my first post took a day and
a half to appear. I emailed cyclofiend and think I'm good to go now.
Yes, I did know of a 52, but not sure if it is still available and I'm
stil
Leah,
Your hand wrangling is starting to stress be out. However your increased
posting and refreshing posting more than makes up for it.
I am also immensely proud of you increased mechanical aptitude you are a
regular hex tool Queen now. Also got for you moving unneeded part out to
partially
The reason I asked about color is that I’ve seen a couple photos of the
apple green and the turquoise rubbing off to expose the true leather color
underneath. This morning I saw on Analog’s website that the turquoise DOES
rub off really quickly - there’s a photo of a one month old saddle in
tu
Hi all,
I would love to try metal fenders again someday.
My first year of bike commuting in NYC was the first year of CitiBike (NYC
bike share). My commute, from Park Slope, Brooklyn to the Garment District
in Manhattan, was just over 45 minutes each way. After almost a year, I
bought my own bike
Yes exactly! Thanks.
On 11/20/19 11:01 PM, 'jeffrey kane' via RBW Owners Bunch wrote:
I believe Steve is thinking of the Portland Design Works fender safety
tabs.
https://ridepdw.com/collections/custom-fender-fit-collection/products/full-metal-fenders-safety-tabs?variant=24829153601
I've see
As Joe says, all Brooks leather saddles, with the exception of the
discontinued Select Organics/Naturals, are dyed, and subject to rubbing
off. I believe that is why cycling-specific shorts were customarily black.
On my commuter years ago I road in all weather and nicely stained a pair or
three
Mark, I love the happiness of this bike!
Deacon Patrick, so nice to see you here again. Will these tabs work with
other fenders besides the PDW ones? Is it the stays that determine that?
Leah, I think the violet color would look smashing! It looks burgundy
colored and very rich! It’s a B
Leah asked "Deacon Patrick - would you still say metal fenders without
break aways for the rough riding you do?"
I'd go with the PDW safety tabs others pointed out.
With abandon,
Patrick
On Wednesday, November 20, 2019 at 8:02:34 PM UTC-7, Bicycle Belle Ding
Ding! wrote:
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> I’m glad Roberta c
My favorite part of this story is Leah has an Italian cobbler who looks over
his glasses and chews her out. I totally "watched" this in my mind as a
black-and-white film from the '40s 😁
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All the Brooks colors are a dye in the leather and they all eventually darken
with use over the years. Even your Select which doesn't have a color has done
it, and I think it adds a nice patina..I love to look at Brooks saddles that
have a history in them. I can't pick between aqua and black, I
I love what you’ve done here! The saddle and fenders! 😍 Does the blue rub off
the Brooks? Seems I’ve seen a photo where it did...
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> On Nov 20, 2019, at 9:46 PM, Mark Roland wrote:
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> Exactly! A little pop of color at the end of the bars is what I was looking
> for whe
Peter White has basic but thorough (and classic!) advice for setting up a
bike comfortably. I agree with him that you ought to set saddle position
first before choosing a stem. Scrolls as needed, and note section on saddle
fore-and-aft position.
https://www.peterwhitecycles.com/fitting.php
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Here you go:
https://ridepdw.com/products/full-metal-fenders-safety-tabs?variant=24829153601#
And this is a photo -- somewhat hard to see them -- installed on their
VO-type fender struts.
https://ridepdw.com/collections/discount-eligible/products/full-metal-fenders-650-beast-65mm?variant=312825422
I’m really glad we’re having this conversation and that so many people have
added their perspectives. I have truly enjoyed learning from you and exploring
your different ideas and perspectives. I have found this really valuable and
also...fun. Maybe there’s someone else out there thinking the sa
On 11/20/19 10:02 PM, Leah Peterson wrote:
I’m glad Roberta chimed in about fenders because I’d forgotten about
the break always and I’m getting cold feet about the VO fenders with
no break away tabs. I really, really fear the going-over-the-bars kind
of crashes. I realize this is highly unli
I’m glad Roberta chimed in about fenders because I’d forgotten about the break
always and I’m getting cold feet about the VO fenders with no break away tabs.
I really, really fear the going-over-the-bars kind of crashes. I realize this
is highly unlikely with the riding I do (commuting on paved
Mark, if the effective toptube length looks right to you I say go for it, it's
a long bike. My PBH is 80-ish and I fit my 52 H (recent model) with the
Bosco Bars up as high as they'll go, and sitting upright at the ends (needed
for my arthritis).
You'll get more seatpost showing, mine is a
Hi Mark!
I’m so excited for you to get a Clem. Is there a 52 available for you
somewhere? Clems really are great bikes; dead useful and so comfortable. And
with the cream accents and gorgeous color and fancy seat lug, they’re fancy in
their own right.
I suspect you COULD ride that 52. Joe Be
Hi Leah,
This is my first post, but I've been following your Clem adventures and the
other Clem talk here. I'm glad you got the fit issue worked out.
I've wanted a Clem for a while now and almost bought the web special 59,
but really like this new geometry, so decided to wait (plus wanting
som
...and green tires and a purple seatpost. That's rad!
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My Polyvalent has black VO wavy fenders.
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I think the VO cork grips are real cork, but more ground up like particle
board vs plywood. I prefer the Riv ones but the these have more shape.
Mike
Mike--These are real cork, like what Riv used to sell? I have the Miesha's
> grip on my bike and love the putting the palms of my hands over th
I like black fenders (he says just to be contrary).
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On 11/20/19 3:48 PM, Roberta wrote:
Steve, Alex, masmojo, Deacon P, Patrick (I hope I didn't leave anyone
out)-- Do metal fenders have the quick release (breakaway) tabs that
SKS fenders have?
Mine don't. Mine have sufficient clearance, and anyway I don't ride
where I could pick up sti
So many great ideas here!
Mike--These are real cork, like what Riv used to sell? I have the Miesha's
grip on my bike and love the putting the palms of my hands over the bulbus
hump in the middle. Very comfy.Riv recommended a new shifter for me,
but said I'd need to destroy my grips, so I'
I mean, what’s wrong with blue, “limited” or aqua? Grips are usually a place I
look for a little pop of color...
https://esigrips.com/mtb-grips/extra-chunky-blue
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This is all so helpful! I did NOT know the black fenders would chip, so silver
it is. I’m not exactly precious about my bikes - these are real bikes that see
real use and are not garage queens - so the chipping is inevitable. I’ll go
with silver so they age a little better. And I need them to ag
I would say silver, because racks and other components are Silver.
Regarding the stem; first glance would indicate maybe a longer stem, but I
kind of need to consider the LARGE front center; which may mean no.
In a nut shell if the handlebar feel like a tiller, then move the bars forward
(long
Not to start a quarrel, but IME, which is considerable, at least certain
"plastic" fenders -- Planet Bike's polycarbonate, or SKS's sandwich
"chromoplastic" -- are very durable, perhaps more durable than metal ones
-- and I include the Kelpies I recently installed, with both sheet metal
and stays
Personally, I'm for the silver. It looks beautiful when new, and even
when much older (and more beat up or even oxidized to a matte finish) it
still looks good. Black is just a surface coating, and if the fender
gets scratched the black is going to get scratched off and you'll see
the under
Ditto for Honjos. Properly installed metal fenders don't rattle.
Installing metal fenders takes time and patience. It absolutely cannot
be hurried. Read the instructions several times. Visualize.
Understand that you cannot and absolutely must not try to pull metal
fenders into shape with
Ok, you guys (Mas, Alex, DP) have convinced me I need the metal fenders. I’m
looking at VO and now should I choose the black or the silver??? I would have
never considered black but this Clem seems to beg for it. Which means I need to
get a black saddle, ugh.
Look again:
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Plastic fenders are great until they break or you lose one of the little bits
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my opinion)
Regarding stem length and fit; here's an old rule of thumb I've used for 30
plus years:
When on the bike with the seat height
Leah,
If I was to go with fenders on a bike again (including riding my rough
stuff), I would go metal. Plastic fender's only two advantages are 1.
cheaper; 2. easier to install. Metal fenders are (reported by folks here
and elsewhere that I well trust) 1. heartier; 2. quieter, when properly
in
The old clunky metal fenders in days of yore did. The fenders from velo
orange are silent and come with leather washers to make sure there are no
rattles etc.
Fender install can be an art! So make sure you tell your REI people you
want artisanal-level install work and to follow the Velo Orang
Alex - don’t the metal fenders rattle going over bumps? We use a path so every
12 inches we hit seams in the concrete. I’ll reconsider if they really are
quiet.
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> On Nov 20, 2019, at 8:50 AM, Alex Wirth- Owner, Yellow Haus Bicycles
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> Nois
Noise!? In theory, if the fenders are properly installed and there's
sufficient clearance between the fender and tire they should be near
silent. Once in a while a stone might run up through there but I'd say for
that minor/seldom heard quirk the advantages of metal are worth it
(Stiffer, bet
Alex, lovely! Are they metal, though? I don’t want the noise metal fenders
make. I’ll check out the ESI grips!
Stem swap. Alright. I’m going to attempt this today. I will be a nervous wreck
the whole time, but I suppose if I really mess something up I can go back to
REI and do the walk of shame
Yes Velo-Orange for fenders or Sim Works, but again I think you said no metal?
I was wondering why you'd dump the Clementine for the Clem L, but I think you
kind of answered that. Personally, the long wheelbase of the Clementine is the
main thing I don't love about it; happy that everyone els
Leah check out velo orange for fenders...here’s a pic of their 650b wavy
fenders on a Clem:
https://www.instagram.com/p/Bx0LvYFBzKD/?igshid=1jmglpf4h6t48
Also check out ESI grips, they’re my fav, come in a TON of colors, musa and
they feel “warmer” in colder weather.
A stem swap is fairly easy
Thanks David. There is another post by Reed on the iBob which includes photos
and is a bit more comprehensive. It's under Reed Kennedy on the iBob. Everytime
I try and link I just end up at the groups main page. Could be that I'm on
mobile.
IanA
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Leah, on your Betty, the one that fits you best, measure the distance
with a tape measure(metric preferred but regular will do) in between the
saddle tip and either side of the bars right next to where the stem is. I
really mean "in between" , as in place the tape measure's body right up
a
Leah, you asked, "But, if I *were* to spurge again and get a new stem, how
would I know what size to try next?"
Here's one way:
1. Position your saddle to where it feels most
comfortable/efficient/powerful when pedaling, regardless of your reach to
the handlebar.
2. Attach a sm
Ian, is it this 650b thread with entry by Reed Idlewild on Aug 27, 2018?
A system of measurements made using a laser level.
https://groups.google.com/forum/?nomobile=true#!searchin/650b/reed$20kennedy/650b/92pKlfCr8ro/oYP8XLWuAgAJ
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On Tuesday, November 19, 2019 at 12:49:17 PM UTC-8,
Tom, the Clems. I’ve got it bad. We have enough in my family and extended
family that I think our family crest should be the Clem headbadge. Forget that
sewer guy.
I’m agonizing over the stem. I just purchased the 90 and paid to have it
installed. I wish the bars came just a smidge closer to me
Roberta made me so excited when she went to the Expo - for many reasons,
actually: she sent me photos, texts, updates, and SHE ALSO told me about this
fabulous blue. My bike was being shipped so it was very exciting to get to see
the paint through Roberta’s eyes. And yes, Roberta, I do think you
Hey Leah, awesome build you have going! If you don't already have one of
the Riv Clem posters, you need to get one. You are one with Clem if anyone
ever was.
As for your reach to the bars, I would humbly suggest NOT adjusting your
fore-aft position saddle position just yet. Doing so may not
I LOVE your new blue Clem, even if the name isn't as good as
Clementine! (Let that be our biggest issue of the day! ) You were wise to
not let me pick it up in NY and ship it to you, because it might not have
made it out of PA. :) Blue is my favorite color and I couldn't believe
how beautifu
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