Re: [TANKS] Re: About time to implement discussed rules update

2013-12-17 Thread Frank Pittelli
Wikipedia states that the Panzer II had 80mm of armor, so it clearly deserves a defensive rating of 4. The rules were changed a very long time ago to allow 1:6 scale vehicles, so it's clearly a legal size. Why do you consider it a "rule beater" ... because the Panzer II existed in real life o

Re: [TANKS] Re: About time to implement discussed rules update

2013-12-17 Thread Frank Pittelli
Basically, I screwed up twice when I wrote the first set of rules. I originally had only "tanks", "armored cars", "trucks" and "artillery" and all vehicles had to be at least 36" long. Will and I both agreed that simpler was better, because the R/C warship hobby had literally dozens of differ

Re: [TANKS] Re: About time to implement discussed rules update

2013-12-17 Thread Frank Pittelli
I still don't get your point. You asked for a higher rating for your T34 and you got it because we cared more about having fun than adhering to the exact wording of a simple rule. Where did the process fail? On 12/18/2013 1:07 AM, TyngTech wrote: Sounds impressive but the fact is the T-34 ha

Re: [TANKS] Re: About time to implement discussed rules update

2013-12-17 Thread Derek Engelhaupt
I'll be serious for a moment. Why can't it just be everyone gets 4/40 rating, 36" rule or 1/6th scale, and everyone has a frontal exclusion? No more worrying about size, capacity, or armor ratings. People could then build anything they want and play every piece on level ground. Like I said thou

Re: [TANKS] Re: About time to implement discussed rules update

2013-12-17 Thread TyngTech
> > In addition, I think speed limits make sense. Finally, the frontal hit > exclusion rule should be abolished (my preference), or applied equally to > both tanks and armored cars. > We need the frontal exclusion. Without it the game is unplayable. I agree that armored cars are a non-option

Re: [TANKS] Re: About time to implement discussed rules update

2013-12-17 Thread TyngTech
> > I guess the speed limit rule to me would cause me concern. To me, if I > can get my 150lb. KV-2 doing 6-7 miles per hour so be it. > I can tell you've never been hit by another tank while fixated on yours and the one your shooting at, and through the tunnel vision of a paintball helmet.

Re: [TANKS] Re: About time to implement discussed rules update

2013-12-17 Thread TyngTech
> > The T-34 Wikipedia page has a table showing various configurations > throughout WW-II and it shows "20-70mm" of armor for the 1943 T-34 > version and "20-90mm" of armor for the T-34-85. > I don't recall Wikipedia being around at the time or if it was, being considered a reliable data sour

Re: [TANKS] Re: About time to implement discussed rules update

2013-12-17 Thread OdysseySlipways
don't forget there's a lot of them older seniors and they can't always run as to avoiding a run-away, if it's coming from any direction other than right in front of a battler, how would they be able to tell it's a run-away until it hits them (other than the man down hollering run-away)? as t

Re: [TANKS] Re: About time to implement discussed rules update

2013-12-17 Thread OdysseySlipways
why? i would think that one of you who love to dabble in electronics could figure out a fire control unit using a 555 timing chip (or don't they make them any more) or something that would trigger a small relay, this way no matter how much you hit the fire button, it won't fire the gun until

Re: [TANKS] Re: About time to implement discussed rules update

2013-12-17 Thread Derek Engelhaupt
I guess the speed limit rule to me would cause me concern. To me, if I can get my 150lb. KV-2 doing 6-7 miles per hour so be it. If you can't get out of the way of a runaway tank doing 6mph on the battlefield, maybe you shouldn't be on the battlefield... :) That's why there are external kill swi

Re: [TANKS] Re: About time to implement discussed rules update

2013-12-17 Thread dwconn404
I believe there are very few armored cars in the hobby directly because of the rules. Also, I shied away from building a Bradley AFV because the rules put it at a disadvantage. I agree with either proposed change: make everything 4/40 or base the stats on length. In addition, I think speed

Re: [TANKS] Battle for juniors

2013-12-17 Thread dwconn404
Nice job ! You've undoubtedly earned the title of 'coolest teacher ever'.    - Doug - Original Message - From: "neroc1" To: rctankcombat@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2013 2:20:39 PM Subject: [TANKS] Battle for juniors RC tank battling became a reality for juni

Re: [TANKS] The Silent Brother Speaks

2013-12-17 Thread dwconn404
A 'silent brother' in the Pitelli family ? That's an oxymoron. - Original Message - From: "Paul" To: "tank club" Sent: Monday, December 16, 2013 6:57:42 PM Subject: [TANKS] The Silent Brother Speaks Tankers, I've seen a flurry of recent posts discussing the merits of differe

Re: [TANKS] Re: About time to implement discussed rules update

2013-12-17 Thread Frank Pittelli
The T-34 Wikipedia page has a table showing various configurations throughout WW-II and it shows "20-70mm" of armor for the 1943 T-34 version and "20-90mm" of armor for the T-34-85. On 12/17/2013 4:52 PM, TyngTech wrote: Since the T005 was fast becoming the third operational tank (and the PTB

Re: [TANKS] Re: About time to implement discussed rules update

2013-12-17 Thread Frank Pittelli
You presented your case for the T-34 and it was awarded a higher rating because of the excellent research data provided and the professional manner in which it was presented. The process worked exactly as expected and the outcome was what you wanted. Why is this an example of how the process p

Re: [TANKS] Re: About time to implement discussed rules update

2013-12-17 Thread neroc1
Isaac , there are very sensible safety reasons why speed limits were set, Steve , your length of asset suggestion make good logic to me . Id like to rephrase my question :- Does anyone have knowledge of anyone who was going to build a tank (of any type/scale) but consequently did not build any

Re: [TANKS] Re: About time to implement discussed rules update

2013-12-17 Thread OdysseySlipways
the only issue i would have with speed is racing them across the field, and the owner having to run right behind them. if for any reason they were to trip and fall and the tank suddenly steer off course (or just loosing control of the tank) depending on the size/weight/speed it could severely

Re: [TANKS] Battle for juniors

2013-12-17 Thread neroc1
No video this time but it would only be worth while for its comic value at this point in proceedings. within a few months I`ll have Phil Palmers donation (To55) in play, I just really need to fit a nerf gun to its tiny turret (easier said than done) and it`ll be battle ready. -- -- You are cu

Re: [TANKS] Battle for juniors

2013-12-17 Thread OdysseySlipways
how did the paper mache hold up during the battle? anything put it to the test? just read what you said about videoing the battles so i am wondering, did any of the kids video and post it? and what was the battle called, was it Battle for Juniors or did you call it something else (just thin

Re: [TANKS] Battle for juniors

2013-12-17 Thread OdysseySlipways
sounds like it was a blast, any chance there will be un-cut videos of these battles in the future? was any taken this time? chris -- -- You are currently subscribed to the "R/C Tank Combat" group. To post a message, send email to rctankcombat@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe, send email to rc

Re: [TANKS] Re: About time to implement discussed rules update

2013-12-17 Thread isaac goldman
Id like to unequivocally voice my opposition to speed limits. People who wish to spend more time or money on their drive-train and ESC systems should be allowed to do so without an artificial ceiling. To me regulating the speed is a serious affront to the openness of the sport both to innovation a

[TANKS] Re: About time to implement discussed rules update

2013-12-17 Thread TyngTech
> > Id like to know if there is anyone who was going to build a tank (of any > type/scale) who didnt, directly because of the rules ? > > When I'd started the T005 T34-85 back in the day, I assumed that armor would be measured in the horizontal plane (to account for sloped armor) but the power

[TANKS] Re: About time to implement discussed rules update

2013-12-17 Thread neroc1
Id like to know if there is anyone who was going to build a tank (of any type/scale) who didnt, directly because of the rules ? Neil R -- -- You are currently subscribed to the "R/C Tank Combat" group. To post a message, send email to rctankcombat@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe, send email

Re: [TANKS] Battle for juniors

2013-12-17 Thread neroc1
Hello Loic, Id love to. but Id be out of a job within a week for gross misconduct. safe guarding rules prohibit not only staff photographing students but posting vids on youtube would be a firing squad offence. However I am friends with our "communications officer" who as part of her job is to

[TANKS] Re: Battle for juniors

2013-12-17 Thread TyngTech
Neil, Sounds like it was a blast. Do keep us posted on future events! Steve "Tiny Mind" Tyng On Tuesday, December 17, 2013 2:20:39 PM UTC-5, neroc1 wrote: > > RC tank battling became a reality for juniors last friday, 13,12, 2013 > What I am calling a Nerf "taster" battle took place in GO

RE: [TANKS] Battle for juniors

2013-12-17 Thread loic Anthian
Neil, Please take a video of the combat next time you battle and post it on YouTube! I would love to see those kids going at it. Cheers from Utah, From: rctankcombat@googlegroups.com [mailto:rctankcombat@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of neroc1 Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2013 12:21 PM To:

[TANKS] About time to implement discussed rules update

2013-12-17 Thread TyngTech
A while back the Mid-Atlantic group sat down to discuss a rules change in regards to vehicle ratings. If I recall correctly, two proposals were floated as possible replacements for the current system. These were all vehicles have a 4/40 rating or ratings would be based on the size of the mo

[TANKS] Re: Battle for juniors

2013-12-17 Thread neroc1
Thank you Steve, it was and I will . I think it takes a mighty mind to truly enjoy tiny mind adventures. Neil " forget you 13th century crop rotation facts at your peril " R -- -- You are currently subscribed to the "R/C Tank Combat" group. To post a message, send email to rctankcombat@googl

[TANKS] Battle for juniors

2013-12-17 Thread neroc1
RC tank battling became a reality for juniors last friday, 13,12, 2013 What I am calling a Nerf "taster" battle took place in GO9 oka (Resistant Materials) . 7 students in turns experienced some intense panic moments and some good old moments of glory as they commanded two assets - To68 and To

Re: [TANKS] The Silent Brother Speaks

2013-12-17 Thread Frank Pittelli
And if you believe that, then you probably think that ObamaCare will make health costs go down, artificial sweeteners are safe, and Anna Nicole married for love ... {START UBER-FANCY ENCRYPTION !@#&^%!@&%} --- Paul, be careful