Re: [RDA-L] Linked data

2011-01-14 Thread J. McRee Elrod
>http://www.w3.org/DesignIssues/LinkedData.html This citation posits three rules: The first rule, to identify things with URIs ... The second rule, to use HTTP URIs ... The third rule, that one should serve information on the web against a URI ... So if rather than an ASN for a local authority,

Re: [RDA-L] Linked data

2011-01-14 Thread J. McRee Elrod
Karen Coyle said: >No, Mac, that is not what it means. In the world of RDA and "linked databases", perhaps I should just accept the fact that English words are not used with their normal dictionary meaning, and new esoteric terminology is created. beginning with work/expression/manifestation. I

Re: [RDA-L] Reliable system

2011-01-14 Thread J. McRee Elrod
>An modest proposal: perhaps a file of 3x5 cards produced by a manual >typewriter will provide the desired reliability? We still have one client who still insists upon it, but the card sets are produced by MARC based automated printing. A few computer crashes have convinced us of the wisdom of ba

Re: [RDA-L] Linked data

2011-01-14 Thread Arakawa, Steven
This might be of interest-- http://www.ala.org/ala/mgrps/divs/alcts/confevents/upcoming/webinar/cat/031611.cfm Steven Arakawa Catalog Librarian for Training & Documentation Catalog & Metadata Services, SML, Yale University P.O. Box 208240 New Haven, CT 06520-8240 (203)432-8286 steven.arak...@ya

Re: [RDA-L] Linked data

2011-01-14 Thread Myers, John F.
An modest proposal: perhaps a file of 3x5 cards produced by a manual typewriter will provide the desired reliability? On a less satirical note, to harness the benefits of technology, one must make certain compromises with respect to one's independence from it. But with the continued improve

Re: [RDA-L] Linked data

2011-01-14 Thread Kevin M. Randall
Bernhard Eversberg wrote: > Am 13.01.2011 22:27, schrieb Kevin M. Randall: > > > > This is an example of basic relational database normalization, wherein data > > redundancy is reduced by using a key (e.g., the authority record control > > number) in place of the complete data (e.g., the authorize

Re: [RDA-L] Linked data

2011-01-14 Thread Karen Coyle
No, Mac, that is not what it means. I do suggest that you read the documentation before drawing further conclusions. This is not a concept that one is likely to learn through an email discussion, and especially not one where some mis-information may be expressed. As Kevin Randall suggested,

Re: [RDA-L] Linked data

2011-01-14 Thread Bernhard Eversberg
> > So based on the URL definitions Kevin supplied, these UTLAS/Pica > databases are "relational" if linkages are inhouse, but "linked" if to > outside data, e.g., to the NAF as opposed to authorities in my system? > Or must the internal or external data meet some additional standard? > No addition

Re: [RDA-L] Linked data

2011-01-14 Thread Weinheimer Jim
J. McRee Elrod wrote: So based on the URL definitions Kevin supplied, these UTLAS/Pica databases are "relational" if linkages are inhouse, but "linked" if to outside data, e.g., to the NAF as opposed to authorities in my system? Or must the internal or external data meet some additional standard?

Re: [RDA-L] Browse and search RDA test data

2011-01-14 Thread Bernhard Eversberg
Am 14.01.2011 16:13, schrieb Jonathan Rochkind: And, unfortunately, it's actually the schema, NOT the transmission format, that is a problem with MARC. It is, as everyone keeps saying, easy enough to change the serialized transmission format to something else (MarcXML, an tab delimited spreadsh

Re: [RDA-L] Linked data

2011-01-14 Thread J. McRee Elrod
Bernard said: >The Pica system, widely in use in Europe, makes extensive use of data >linking. Not just for names and subjects but there's also linking >between bib entities ... So based on the URL definitions Kevin supplied, these UTLAS/Pica databases are "relational" if linkages are inhouse, bu

Re: [RDA-L] Browse and search RDA test data

2011-01-14 Thread Weinheimer Jim
Jonathan Rochkind wrote: Many ILS use the MARC _schema_ (aka "vocabulary", aka "list of fields and subfields") as their internal data model, if not the serialized transmission format. The MARC 'schema' is kind of implicit, defined as a byproduct of the transmission format, which is in part wha

Re: [RDA-L] Browse and search RDA test data

2011-01-14 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
Many ILS use the MARC _schema_ (aka "vocabulary", aka "list of fields and subfields") as their internal data model, if not the serialized transmission format. The MARC 'schema' is kind of implicit, defined as a byproduct of the transmission format, which is in part what makes it so cumbersome t

Re: [RDA-L] Browse and search RDA test data

2011-01-14 Thread Bernhard Eversberg
On Fri, Jan 14, 2011 at 2:36 PM, Weinheimer Jim wrote: > > Internally, each database can be different, as each one is today. As I said > ISO2709 no longer is used for internal purposes (except for some CDS-ISIS > catalogs), and is used only for record transfer. > And even that is not a necessity

Re: [RDA-L] Linked data

2011-01-14 Thread Karen Coyle
We do need to create a short "what is library linked data" document. Meanwhile, I discuss linked data in this webinar, which is open access: http://www.alatechsource.org/blog/2010/04/archive-directions-in-metadata-webinar.html although not as succinctly as you may wish. I will try to develo

Re: [RDA-L] Browse and search RDA test data

2011-01-14 Thread Weinheimer Jim
Bernhard Eversberg wrote: Really, I'm not a great fan of MARC, but we do it injustice if we insist it go away because of ISO2709. The latter has to go, and can go, and isn't being used nor required nor standing in the way in many applications right now, with no harm done to MARC whatsoever. No,

Re: [RDA-L] Linked data

2011-01-14 Thread Adger Williams
Kevin Randall said > I think of linked data as something that *functionally* would be something > akin to a relational database on steroids, but in its architecture is not > really a relational database. I don't think I would be very good at > explaining it, but you can look up linked data in Wi

Re: [RDA-L] Browse and search RDA test data

2011-01-14 Thread Bernhard Eversberg
Am 14.01.2011 13:19, schrieb Weinheimer Jim: I hate to keep harping on this, but I think it is a crucial point since I believe that ISO2709 is one of the key problems holding us back; certainly more important than adopting FRBR or RDA. As I said before, ISO2709 may be able to be revamped to hand

Re: [RDA-L] Browse and search RDA test data

2011-01-14 Thread Weinheimer Jim
Bernhard Eversberg wrote: Am 14.01.2011 12:24, schrieb Weinheimer Jim: > > Bernhard, Sorry to press the point but I think it is a vital one: > using MARC in its ISO2709 form *cannot* work with linked data. For all I know, I have to disagree. It is all a matter of field content and then what the s

Re: [RDA-L] Browse and search RDA test data

2011-01-14 Thread Bernhard Eversberg
Am 14.01.2011 12:24, schrieb Weinheimer Jim: Bernhard, Sorry to press the point but I think it is a vital one: using MARC in its ISO2709 form *cannot* work with linked data. For all I know, I have to disagree. It is all a matter of field content and then what the software does with that - no m

Re: [RDA-L] Browse and search RDA test data

2011-01-14 Thread Weinheimer Jim
Bernhard Eversberg wrote: That may be true for some ILS systems but certainly not for all of them. If it is, then it is a weakness of that system, not a feature of MARC. Get rid of those systems or get vendors to understand that this mode of communication is - though it needs not be thrown overboa

Re: [RDA-L] Browse and search RDA test data

2011-01-14 Thread Bernhard Eversberg
Am 14.01.2011 10:47, schrieb Weinheimer Jim: ... but when I then want to transfer that record that I worked with into my catalog, I have to recompile it back into an IS2709 record so that I import using Z39.50, when we are stuck with each and every one of the limitations of ISO2709. That may b

Re: [RDA-L] Browse and search RDA test data

2011-01-14 Thread Weinheimer Jim
Bernhard Eversberg wrote: Am 14.01.2011 09:54, schrieb Weinheimer Jim: > > When we talk about MARC as it is used by libraries today, we cannot > separate it from the underlying ISO2709 format,... Oh but we can, we certainly can and we should and we do. A MARC record can easily be rendered like th

Re: [RDA-L] Linked data

2011-01-14 Thread Bernhard Eversberg
Am 13.01.2011 22:27, schrieb Kevin M. Randall: This is an example of basic relational database normalization, wherein data redundancy is reduced by using a key (e.g., the authority record control number) in place of the complete data (e.g., the authorized heading contained in the authority recor

Re: [RDA-L] Browse and search RDA test data

2011-01-14 Thread Bernhard Eversberg
Am 14.01.2011 09:54, schrieb Weinheimer Jim: When we talk about MARC as it is used by libraries today, we cannot separate it from the underlying ISO2709 format,... Oh but we can, we certainly can and we should and we do. A MARC record can easily be rendered like this: LDR 00851cam a2200253Ii

Re: [RDA-L] Browse and search RDA test data

2011-01-14 Thread Weinheimer Jim
Jonathan Rochkind wrote: I don't see any significant increase in flexibility to share Marc records by 'switching' to MarcXML. Am I missing something? What exactly would be the advantages of 'switching' to MarcXML? When we talk about MARC as it is used by libraries today, we cannot separate i