[RDA-L] FW: [RDA-MARC] Time for RDA/MARC

I will be happy to continue to participate, Sally, but should warn you of one possible twist; I will be out of town November 13-24 (without a laptop), so may miss a meeting or two... Martha % Martha M. Yee Cataloging Supervisor UCLA Film & Television Archive 1015 N.

[RDA-L] Articles by Martha M. Yee

More old articles of mine that bear on FRBR, RDA, and the LC Working Group report are now available at the UC eScholarship repository, as follows: "Integration of Nonbook Materials in AACR2." Cataloging & Classification Quarterly 1983; 3:1-18. Also available on the Web at: http://repositories.cdli

[RDA-L] Apology for unkindness (was [RDA-L] Comments from Martha M. Yee on the April 10, 2008 version of the STATEMENT OF INTERNATIONAL CATALOGUING PRINCIPLES)

IONAL CATALOGUING PRINCIPLES Martha Yee wrote: > First, these replace a set of principles that were elegant in their > simplicity and conciseness and therefore easy for laymen to grasp, even > though the designers of current online catalogs never bothered to read them > so we never man

[RDA-L] Comments by Martha M. Yee on FRBR Object-oriented Definition and Mapping to FRBR-ER (FRBRoo), version 0.9 draft, January, 2008

I find this exercise a little confusing because I can't quite put my finger on its purpose. With categories such as F27, work conception, it appears to be trying to do something quite different from the organization of existing documents and works of art that we carry out in libraries, archives an

[RDA-L] Comments from Martha M. Yee on the April 10, 2008 version of the STATEMENT OF INTERNATIONAL CATALOGUING PRINCIPLES

I have several major concerns about the current draft of the Statement of International Cataloguing Principles. First, these replace a set of principles that were elegant in their simplicity and conciseness and therefore easy for laymen to grasp, even though the designers of current online catal

[RDA-L] What is a manifestation? (i.e., expression?) (articles by Martha M. Yee)

The two articles about 'manifestation' (the word everyone used to mean 'expression' until FRBR came along) that I published in 1994 are now available at the University of California eScholarship Repository, as follows: "Manifestations and Near-Equivalents: Theory, with Special Attention to Moving-

[RDA-L] "What is a Work?" articles at UC eScholarship repository

In honor of Jimmy Durante (smile--see quote in signature below), all of my "What is a Work?" articles published in Cataloging & Classification Quarterly in 1994-1995 are now available at the UC eScholarship repository, as follows: "What is a Work? Part 1, The User and the Objects of the Catalog."

[RDA-L] FW: [RDA-L] Expression and Manifestation

We call our search a "pre-existing work" search because it is an author-title search, and author-title added entries in a motion picture archive are all for non-film works on which films are based. However, it should be noted that it is standard cataloging practice to refer backwards to the work o

[RDA-L] FW: [RDA-L] Expression and Manifestation

d rather see those as facets in a display. But even better than Work >> I'd like to see an "uber-Work" that includes everything I give above, >> and anything else we can think of, with facets that pull out those >> relationships: by, about, influenced by, translations

[RDA-L] FW: [RDA-L] Expression and Manifestation

tc.) and works, however, before we've really implemented anything that resembles FRBR. kc Martha Yee wrote: > Karen Coyle wrote: > > The only use of FRBR in cataloging, that I'm aware of, is in the VTLS > system, where you actually create the 4 Group I entities. I have seen >

[RDA-L] Expression and Manifestation

to see an "uber-Work" that includes everything I give above, and anything else we can think of, with facets that pull out those relationships: by, about, influenced by, translations of uh, which is what you get in some systems by doing a keyword search, although it also brings in false

[RDA-L] FW: [RDA-L] Questions about RDA

More thoughts on expression: The concept of edition was formed in the days when the bibliographic description was developed. In those days, to make a new edition of a text, a person had to reset type, and in the course of doing that, the content was often changed, whether inadvertently or on purpo

[RDA-L] The concept of work for moving image materials

If anyone would like to read my 1993 article "The concept of work for moving image materials" online, it is now available at the UC eScholarship repository at: http://repositories.cdlib.org/postprints/2659 It was originally published in Cataloging & Classification Quarterly 18 (2), pp. 33-40. Tha

FW: [RDA-L] FW: [RDA-L] New works and new expressions (was Cataloger scenarios added to wiki)

& Metadata Center [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access on behalf of Martha Yee Sent: Wed 3/12/2008 2:24 PM To: RDA-L@INFOSERV.NLC-BNC.CA Subject: [RDA-L] FW: [RDA-L] New works and new expressions (was Cataloger scenarios added to

FW: [RDA-L] New works and new expressions (was Cataloger scenarios added to wiki)

y the intellectually creative difference made by the cinematographer and director, and editor(s), who shape what we see in perhaps a more fundamental way than the stage director? Or is it the textual adaptation required in moving a text from print or stage to screen? Larry Creider On Wed, 12 Mar 20

New works and new expressions (was Cataloger scenarios added to wiki)

Creider's asks, "One question I have for Martha is why a change in actors results in a different work?" I would argue that moving images are essentially visual works, not textual ones; in order to change a textual work into a visual work, adaptation is inherently necessary. The situation is compl

FW: [RDA-L] Cataloger Scenarios added to wiki

Can I infer from your posting, then, John, that RDA will not follow FRBR in considering Zeffirelli's Romeo and Juliet to be a different work than Shakespeare's Romeo and Juliet? Martha % Martha M. Yee Cataloging Supervisor UCLA Film & Television Archive 1015 N. Cahue

FW: [RDA-L] Cataloger Scenarios added to wiki

On the contrary, I think you are confusing work with superwork, Jonathan (smile). FRBR itself treats Zeffirelli's film of Romeo and Juliet as a different but related work vis a vis Shakespeare's Romeo and Juliet (see p. 18 of the 2008 revision at ). A f

Understanding FRBR. Chapter 11, FRBR and Moving Image Materials: Content (Work and Expression) versus Carrier (Manifestation)

Greenwood Publishing Group kindly gave me permission to post my chapter (Chapter 11, FRBR and Moving Image Materials: Content (Work and Expression) versus Carrier (Manifestation)) from Arlene Taylor's book (Understanding FRBR) at the UC eScholarship repository, so those of you who have not purchas

Yee cataloging rules and RDF model updated

A big thank you to everyone who suggested changes to my cataloging rules and my RDF model at ALA Midwinter. I have posted a new draft of my cataloging rules and RDF model at my web site at: http://myee.bol.ucla.edu In an attempt to try to track changes made, I have created a change list do

New logo

The logo I was talking about in this earlier message can now be seen at: http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/jsc/docs/jca-philadelphia-20080113.pdf Martha -Original Message- From: Martha Yee [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2008 1:21 PM To: Rdapos Subject: New

RDA Chapters 5-6, 8-11, Martha Yee's comments on the December 17, 2007 draft, rev.

RDA CHAPTERS 5-6, 8-11 COMMENTS ON THE DECEMBER 17, 2007 DRAFT, Rev. Submitted by: Martha M. Yee Cataloging Supervisor UCLA Film & Television Archive 1015 N. Cahuenga Blvd. Los Angeles, California 90038 323-462-4921 x27 E-mail address:[EMA

Sentence case vs. Title case [was: [RDA-L] Measuring quality of cataloguing]

Our current methods of title transcription (capitalize only the first word, and any proper name) convey more information than standard citation capitalization does, since in a transcribed title you can tell which words are proper names and which are not. It is not uncommon for this practice to r

Re: new logo?

This is a multi-part message in MIME format. GlacierI couldn't find it at the web site yet, either. I saw it on Powerpoint presentations at the RDA Update Forum in Philadelphia. I suspect it will appear soon at the web site, once Philadelphia presentations go up there? Martha Martha M. Yee

RDA chapter map?

Has anyone compiled a chapter map of RDA that indicates: 1) Which previously reviewed chapters are still valid, and 2) What the new names and numbers of the still valid chapters are in the current prospectus? (At the moment, I am looking for where AACR2R rule 21.1B2 disappeared to in RDA, but

New logo

I'd like to congratulate the Joint Steering Committee and the Committee of Principals for adopting a perfectly expressive new logo that visually alludes to the way that RDA has broken our data into bits thereby rendering it incomprehensible to human beings, and further alludes to the fact that the

RDA Chapters 5-6, 8-11, Martha Yee's comments on the December 17, 2007 draft

RDA CHAPTERS 5-6, 8-11 COMMENTS ON THE DECEMBER 17, 2007 DRAFT Submitted by: Martha M. Yee Cataloging Supervisor UCLA Film & Television Archive 1015 N. Cahuenga Blvd. Los Angeles, California 90038 323-462-4921 x27 E-mail address:[EMAIL PRO

Publication information in Yee cataloging rules and RDF model

I know that the fact that I have included publisher information at three levels in the rules and the model has caused some confusion, so I wanted to discuss it a bit. I thought it might be useful to some catalog users to have the following information readily available: 1. The first publisher t

Yee cataloging rules and RDF model updated

I have received lots of good suggestions for improving the rules and the model, and I have posted new revised drafts of both at http://myee.bol.ucla.edu. The following is a brief summary of the changes I've made: 1. I added sections to the blog to allow the specific questions about the model to

LC WG Report: Section 1 comments from Martha Yee

1.3.2.1 Convergence of "identity management in various contexts" would be considerably easier if we would re-examine our commitment to the steadily expanding principle that change of name equals change in identity. I call this the "googlization" of cataloging. We need to differentiate ourselv

LC WG Report: general comments from Martha Yee

I just submitted these at the Working Group site, and will follow Diane's lead in sending them in segments: As the first questioner at LC noted in the webcast of the session that introduced these recommendations to LC staff, this report calls for a lot of expensive work to retool our cataloging

Martha Yee's cataloging rules for a more FRBR-ized catalog, with an RDF model

I have written elsewhere about the fact that our rules and our cataloging data are already considerably FRBR-ized and that what is lacking for the creation of true FRBR-ized catalogs is adequate software support. ("FRBRization: a Method for Turning Online Public Finding Lists into Online Public C

Catalog use research

o:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Karen Coyle Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 10:14 AM To: RDA-L@INFOSERV.NLC-BNC.CA Subject: Re: [RDA-L] FW: [RDA-L] Application profiles and RDA Can you give us a short resume of your findings? - kc Martha Yee wrote: > Sara Shatford Layne and I wrote a boo

FW: [RDA-L] Application profiles and RDA

Sara Shatford Layne and I wrote a book analyzing catalog use studies to see where catalogs were helping users and where they were failing them. It was published by the American Library Association in 1998 and is called Improving Online Public Access Catalogs. Martha M. Yee [EMAIL PROTECTED] -

Wrong model--RDF?

Our previous posting concerned the entity-relationship model underlying FRBR. The linking concerns we are about to discuss relate to both the RDF model and to the RDA implementation of FRBR's model. The RDA developers are now beginning to look to the RDF specifications for the semantic web a

Wrong model--entity relationship?

When FRBR first came out, we approved, because it was the first time there had been an attempt to standardize the definitions of work and edition that we had been using for hundreds of years, and we thought these definitions would help us communicate more effectively with system design people.

Alternate titles, an example of description broken into bits

This is a multi-part message in MIME format. Page 4 of the report of the JSC rep., John Attig, briefly mentions the consequences of coding alternate titles as "element sub-types" in RDA. "The connective, (e.g., "or") is part of neither the Title proper nor the Alternative title; it will have to

Martha Yee's comments on FRAD

Comments on Functional Requirements for Authority Data, draft 2007-04-01 Martha M. Yee Cataloging Supervisor, UCLA Film & Television Archive General comments: There are two major parts to authority control that are dangerously deprioritized and buried in this model: 1. Many of th

Stephen Hearn on work, expression and manifestation

to select the optimum manifestation. Martha -Original Message- From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Stephen Hearn Sent: Friday, March 30, 2007 12:19 PM To: RDA-L@INFOSERV.NLC-BNC.CA Subject: Re: [RDA-L] Comments from M

Comments from Martha Yee on Chapters 3-4

RDA - PART A, Chapters 3 and 4 COMMENTS ON THE MARCH 2007 DRAFT Submitted by:Martha M. Yee Cataloging Supervisor UCLA Film and Television Archive 1015 N. Cahuenga Blvd. Los Angeles, California 90038 323-462-4921 x27 E-mail address:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Response to Coyle and Hillmann: numerical identifiers

Karen's comment: "I believe that you misunderstand the role of URIs in today's computing environment when you say: 'I also take issue with the suggestion that the solution to our problems lies with numerical work identifiers.' Something that Diane and I (and others) are beginning to work on may h

Response to Coyle and Hillmann: the functions of the catalog

Karen's comment: "I also think that your description of the role of the catalog is overly limited, especially in today's computerized and networked world. First, your description: '1. whether the library contains or can provide access to a specific expression of a work specified by: its author

Response to Coyle and Hillmann: multiple manifestation works

The following is my response to Karen's statement that "You say that 'Many works exist in hundreds of expressions and manifestations.' One should also mention that many MORE works exist in one manifestation, just as a majority of authors write only one book." Martha's reply: That is true, but t

Response to Coyle and Hillmann: comparing catalogs to Google and Amazon.com

I thought I would divide my response into pieces to start different threads. In this one, I'd like to address Karen's statement that: "I can find no place where we said anything that would lead to this rebuttal: 'What I take issue with in this article is the implication that Google and Amazon.com

Response from Karen Coyle and Diane Hillmann to Martha Yee's recent posting

Greetings, all. I'm forwarding this at Karen Coyle's and Diane Hillmann's request, since they are not subscribed to this list. Let the debate continue! Martha Yee Some of the points that you debate in your rebuttal were not in the paper that Diane and I wrote, so eith

Fictitious characters as authors

This is a multi-part message in MIME format. Just to add to the collection of past practice in this regard: Eddie Anderson (n78080690) has a see reference from Rochester, the character he played on The Jack Benny program, because he became so identified with the character that sometimes he app