Re: [RDA-L] Recording series numbering in RDA

2011-03-09 Thread Kevin M. Randall
Jonathan Rochkind said: I'm not sure what the way to surmount this challenge is, but catalogers and library metadata engineers clearly do need better tools than they are getting. I absolutely agree. But at this point in time, after the ridiculous passage of decades waiting for it, the only

Re: [RDA-L] Recording series numbering in RDA

2011-03-09 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
That would be a good solution. That, I think, is incompatible with MARC, even MARCXML, yeah? On 3/9/2011 2:50 AM, Bernhard Eversberg wrote: On 08.03.2011 20:04, Mark Ehlert: Jonathan Rochkindrochk...@jhu.edu wrote: As an aside, is there any way to indicate in the Marc that a particular 490

Re: [RDA-L] Recording series numbering in RDA

2011-03-09 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
They didn't care about better discovery layers either, until situations changed to make them care -- in part because of libraries creating their own open source solutions to challenge the proprietary vendor software. I think it's probably much harder to do this with cataloging/metadata entry

Re: [RDA-L] Recording series numbering in RDA

2011-03-09 Thread Myers, John F.
Jonathan Rochkind wrote: That would be a good solution. That, I think, is incompatible with MARC, even MARCXML, yeah? Quoting Mark Ehlert (I think): A better solution might be a 3-level field structure that would contain two or more complete data fields with all the necessary subfields.

Re: [RDA-L] Recording series numbering in RDA

2011-03-09 Thread Bernhard Eversberg
On Wed, Mar 9, 2011 at 4:50 PM, Myers, John F. mye...@union.edu wrote: Jonathan Rochkind wrote: That would be a good solution. That, I think, is incompatible with MARC, even MARCXML, yeah? Quoting Mark Ehlert (I think): A better solution might be a 3-level field structure that would

[RDA-L] Recording series numbering in RDA

2011-03-08 Thread Shorten, Jay
OCLC #646122824 Hungarian Americans in the current of history has as a 490 1_ East European monographs ; ‡v DCCLXVI. I presume this is done because of RDA rule 1.8.2, and the alternative chosen by LC which indicates we record the form of the numeral that appears on the piece, whether

Re: [RDA-L] Recording series numbering in RDA

2011-03-08 Thread J. McRee Elrod
Jay Shorten said: If the item also had a series statement in the book that used =93766=94, wh= ich form would we transcribe in the 490? We would transcribe as found in the 490, but standarize for filing purposes in 830, as suggested by Klossner in his RDA@yourlibrary Amigos presentation. __

Re: [RDA-L] Recording series numbering in RDA

2011-03-08 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
As an aside, is there any way to indicate in the Marc that a particular 490 corresponds to a particular normalized 830? I think there is not -- or if there is, it isn't commonly used. In my writing of software, I haven't been able to find a way for the software to figure out when a controlled

Re: [RDA-L] Recording series numbering in RDA

2011-03-08 Thread Mark Ehlert
Jonathan Rochkind rochk...@jhu.edu wrote: As an aside, is there any way to indicate in the Marc that a particular 490 corresponds to a particular normalized 830? I think there is not -- or if there is, it isn't commonly used. There's the $8 available for the 490 and all 8xx fields. But good

Re: [RDA-L] Recording series numbering in RDA

2011-03-08 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
Okay, good to know, thanks. I can make the public discovery service I write make use of it -- but there's no point in spending time on that if no records are going to. Indeed it is a vicious circle. But writing software to make use of it is in fact a LOT easier than somehow getting the

Re: [RDA-L] Recording series numbering in RDA

2011-03-08 Thread Mark Ehlert
2011/3/7 Shorten, Jay jshor...@ou.edu: OCLC #646122824 Hungarian Americans in the current of history has as a 490 1_ East European monographs ; ‡v DCCLXVI    . I presume this is done because of RDA rule 1.8.2, and the alternative chosen by LC which indicates we record the form of the numeral

Re: [RDA-L] Recording series numbering in RDA

2011-03-08 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
Agreed. There's been good work on the 'good discovery' side of things, but perhaps somewhat less on the 'good cataloging tool' side. Perhaps because you can make a discovery tool which can be bolted on (with difficulty) to just about anyone's ILS, and making it doesn't require changing

Re: [RDA-L] Recording series numbering in RDA

2011-03-08 Thread Adam L. Schiff
As an aside, is there any way to indicate in the Marc that a particular 490 corresponds to a particular normalized 830? $8 Field link and sequence number is available to do this --Adam ** * Adam L. Schiff * * Principal Cataloger

Re: [RDA-L] Recording series numbering in RDA

2011-03-08 Thread Bernhard Eversberg
On 08.03.2011 20:04, Mark Ehlert: Jonathan Rochkindrochk...@jhu.edu wrote: As an aside, is there any way to indicate in the Marc that a particular 490 corresponds to a particular normalized 830? I think there is not -- or if there is, it isn't commonly used. There's the $8 available for the