I'm wondering what the collective wisdom is regarding providing a variant
access point in bibliographic records to the portion of a title proper
that precedes an alternative title.
As you all are probably aware, in RDA an alternative title is treated as
part of the title proper (2.3.2.1), but
Adam said:
>As you all are probably aware, in RDA an alternative title is treated as
>part of the title proper (2.3.2.1),
As it was in AACR2. Granted it would be better if the $b were after
the ",or", before the alternate title. (Earlier, it created a problem
with GMD placement, but that conc
Adam Schiff wrote:
> 100 1_ Owens, Jo, $d 1961-
> 240 10 Add kids, stir briskly
> 245 10 Add kids, stir briskly, or, How I learned to love my life /
> $c Jo Owens.
>
> Now the question I have is, given that the 240 that would be required in
> an RDA record for this resource (because you
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I agree with Kevin and am tickled that he's tickled about this :-)
I realize this isn't the PCC list or the MARC list, but would people be
willing to push for officially switching to Adam's suggested
700 12 $i Contains (wor
Robert Maxwell said:
>I realize this isn't the PCC list or the MARC list, but would people be
>willing to push for officially switching to Adam's suggested
>
>700 12 $i Contains (work): $a Owens, Jo, $d 1961- $t Add kids, stir briskly
Many of our clients would not accept this. They do not want
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I agree with Kevin and am tickled that he's tickled about this :-)
I realize this isn't the PCC list or the MARC l
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Robert Maxwell said:
>I realize this isn
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My comments below Bob's.
--Adam Schiff
UW Libraries
Seattle, WA
AS: Without the relationship designator, it is not
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I understood the question to be about making 240 obsolete. Are you suggesting
that 240 be made obsolete but u
Steven Arakawa wrote:
> If all work/expression AAPs are entered as 700 a/t analytics, the title in 245
> is exposed and the incidence of conflicts requiring 130 would increase
> substantially, no?
There would be no increase resulting from such a change, because there would
not be a change in the
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Steven Arakawa wrote:
> If all work/expression AAPs are
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I agree with Kevin and am tickled that he's tickled about this :-)
I realize this isn't the PCC list or the MARC list, but would people be willing
to push for officially
ot;--Eliza R. Snow, 1842.
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Steven Arakawa wrote:
> If all work/expression AAPs are entered as 700 a/t analytics, the
> title in 245 is exposed and the incidence of
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> What I was thinking of was:
>
> 100 Smith, John
> 240 Poems. Selections
> 245 Nature / poems by John Smith and Joan Jones.
> 700 12 Jones, Joan.
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I understood the question to be about making 240 obsolete. Are you suggesting
that 240 be made obsolete but use 246 inst
-Eliza R. Snow, 1842.
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Mary said:
>I understood the question to be about making 240 obsolete. Are you
>suggesting that 240 be made obsolete but use 246 instead of 700?
The thread began (as the subject line indicates) with how to handle
alternate titles. I suggested a 246 for the alternate title, but not
the first port
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But what *is* the 130 in your examples? The AAP for the work/expression is in
the 700 fi
ng AAPs:
Smith, John. Nature
Smith, John. Sea
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I forwarded this discussion to our music cataloger, Neil Hughes. With his
permission, I am sharing his response below. On my own behalf, I have to
t be
different).
Adam L. Schiff
University of Washington Libraries
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It is a long time since I was first lear
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My comments below Bob's.
--Adam Schiff
UW Libraries
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If the creator's name is part of the AAP, there is no conflict, unless the
combination of name and preferred title are the same[footnote]. The title
proper o
Steven Arakawa wrote:
> Both work titles and conventional collective titles fall under the category
> of preferred titles. I understand that work titles can conflict and we would
> need to break the conflict in such cases, but conventional collective titles
> are assigned deliberately to collocate
A
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Steven,
If all work/expression AAPs are entered in 7XX, then there would not be a
130 either. Those would become 730s. I think Kevin is correct that each
record would start with 245, with no 1XXs at all.
So for you compilation
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On Fri, 4 Oct 2013, Kevin M Randall wrote:
Steven Arakawa wrote:
If all work/expression AAPs are entered as 700 a/t analytics, the title in 245
is exposed and the incidence of conflicts requiring 130 would increase
substantially, no?
There would be no increase resulting from such a change, be
There are two types of relationships being discussed here, in moving 240 to a
700 name-title access point.
Primary relationships (RDA 17), such as Work Manifested, are for relationships
like work-to-manifestation relationships.
Related works (RDA 25) include whole-part relationships, such as th
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