Re: [RE-wrenches] Starting 3/4 Sub Pump (was Power Factor)

2009-07-30 Thread Darryl Thayer
Hi all When trying to run the pump with the inverter, make the following measurements. DC amps, and DC volts to the inverter, multiply by about 0.9, this is the true power. Then measure at the same time the AC volts and the AC amps. this it the apparent power. Power factor is the ratio of a

Re: [RE-wrenches] Power Factor

2009-07-30 Thread Ron Young
Well, as it's the first grid-tie system in this region they are paying close attention. The guy I am dealing with is very stern and precise. I put down 100%, as they wanted a percentage. So we'll see. Thx all for the feedback, helpful as always! Ron On 30-Jul-09, at 5:58 PM, Allan Sindelar

Re: [RE-wrenches] Power Factor

2009-07-30 Thread Allan Sindelar
Ron, Why try to break it to them at all? Just answer the question. Put down 1.0 or unity. That's what they're looking for. Then go on to the next question. They'll never catch it. Allan Sindelar al...@positiveenergysolar.com NABCEP Certified Photovoltaic Installer EE98J Journeyman Electrician Posi

Re: [RE-wrenches] Starting 3/4 Sub Pump (was Power Factor)

2009-07-30 Thread Matt
Geeze, Are the PF meters available separately without having to replace a perfectly fine 337? Matt boB Gudgel wrote: > Allan Sindelar wrote: > > Matt and boB, > > This is only somewhat relevant, but may help: > > A few days ago, on initial bootup of a new system with a Magnum MS4024AE, we

Re: [RE-wrenches] Starting 3/4 Sub Pump (was Power Factor)

2009-07-30 Thread Matt
Allan, Yeah. If I could talk him into a better pump (it's the money!) the whole issue would go away. Sort of. Like a lot of folks, they save their dough and pay for improvements piecemeal, and the pump is the last big hit (if they only knew!) being saved for. Matt Allan Sindelar wrote:

Re: [RE-wrenches] Starting 3/4 Sub Pump (was Power Factor)

2009-07-30 Thread boB Gudgel
Allan Sindelar wrote: Matt and boB, This is only somewhat relevant, but may help: A few days ago, on initial bootup of a new system with a Magnum MS4024AE, we easily ran a 1HP submersible at nearly 500' head plus pressurizing (single pump system). However, this was a Grundfos SQ, so the soft-star

Re: [RE-wrenches] Power Factor

2009-07-30 Thread Matt
Hi Jay, I think I'll check his wire connections at all the connection points first, and then the next time I'm in the area, bring my Fluke (which DOESN'T measure PF) for a closer look. Believe it or not, his meter is one of those mini GB thingies, analog of course, that would be better as a pap

Re: [RE-wrenches] Starting 3/4 Sub Pump (was Power Factor)

2009-07-30 Thread Allan Sindelar
Matt and boB, This is only somewhat relevant, but may help: A few days ago, on initial bootup of a new system with a Magnum MS4024AE, we easily ran a 1HP submersible at nearly 500' head plus pressurizing (single pump system). However, this was a Grundfos SQ, so the soft-start made it much easier. S

Re: [RE-wrenches] Power Factor

2009-07-30 Thread boB Gudgel
jay peltz wrote: Hi Matt, I would try a few things, but its very curious to me that the inverter won't even get a try out of the motor. I've seen plenty of motors not work, but they tried to start. And given the 7k genny starts it, the 4k inverter should start it too. I would check the curren

Re: [RE-wrenches] Power Factor

2009-07-30 Thread jay peltz
Hi Matt, I would try a few things, but its very curious to me that the inverter won't even get a try out of the motor. I've seen plenty of motors not work, but they tried to start. And given the 7k genny starts it, the 4k inverter should start it too. I would check the current under load and

Re: [RE-wrenches] Power Factor

2009-07-30 Thread boB Gudgel
Matt wrote: Unh - hunh, but it will run on the generator. If it didn't, I would go for the bad starter or motor, but it "seems" like the PF could be an issue?? Matt T Well, an inverter is just (supposed to be) a low impedance Voltage Source and the current does whatever it is going to do.

Re: [RE-wrenches] Power Factor

2009-07-30 Thread Matt
Unh - hunh, but it will run on the generator. If it didn't, I would go for the bad starter or motor, but it "seems" like the PF could be an issue?? Matt T boB Gudgel wrote: > Matt wrote: > > Possibly a PF question, or maybe one for Magnum - boB, > > > > One of the guys at work is (almost)

Re: [RE-wrenches] Power Factor

2009-07-30 Thread Matt
Unh - hunh, but it will run on the generator. If it didn't, I would go for the bad starter or motor, but it "seems" like the PF could be an issue?? Matt T boB Gudgel wrote: > Matt wrote: > > Possibly a PF question, or maybe one for Magnum - boB, > > > > One of the guys at work is (almost)

Re: [RE-wrenches] Power Factor

2009-07-30 Thread boB Gudgel
Matt wrote: Possibly a PF question, or maybe one for Magnum - boB, One of the guys at work is (almost) running a 3/4 hp sub pump with a Magna AE 48. Or rather, he isn't. According to him when he first fired it up, it operated the pump just fine. The next time he tried, though. he couldn't even

Re: [RE-wrenches] Power Factor

2009-07-30 Thread Matt
Possibly a PF question, or maybe one for Magnum - boB, One of the guys at work is (almost) running a 3/4 hp sub pump with a Magna AE 48. Or rather, he isn't. According to him when he first fired it up, it operated the pump just fine. The next time he tried, though. he couldn't even get a buzz o

Re: [RE-wrenches] Power Factor

2009-07-30 Thread boB Gudgel
boB Gudgel wrote: >>So, because of the different ways of specifying PF, it is always best to think of Power Factor as being the ratio of real (in phase) power, or VA to reactive power >>(VARS or "Volt Ampere Reactive"). That will work in all cases. OOOps ! See, this can get confusing.

Re: [RE-wrenches] Power Factor

2009-07-30 Thread boB Gudgel
R. Walters wrote: Power factor expresses the time difference between voltage peak and current peak on each of their sine waves. If both current and voltage waves are "in time", (their wave peaks match up) power factor is 1. If one is ahead or behind the other, it's not. Think about an electric

Re: [RE-wrenches] Power Factor

2009-07-30 Thread R. Walters
Power factor expresses the time difference between voltage peak and current peak on each of their sine waves. If both current and voltage waves are "in time", (their wave peaks match up) power factor is 1. If one is ahead or behind the other, it's not. Think about an electric motor: we hit

Re: [RE-wrenches] Power Factor

2009-07-30 Thread David Brearley
Ron, Here is a definition for Power Factor that we used in our String Inverter guide in SP1.1: POWER FACTOR AT RATED OUTPUT Definition: The ratio of true power to apparent power in the inverter ac output circuit at its rated power. Importance: True power is measured in units of watts and describe

Re: [RE-wrenches] Power Factor

2009-07-30 Thread boB Gudgel
Ron Young wrote: Ok, so all seem to be in agreement more or less. How do I break it to British Columbia Hydro? :-| I think they must be misunderstanding what they are asking for but the question is in the section for PV and on the same line as the total output in Kwh of the PV. Power Factor %

Re: [RE-wrenches] Power Factor

2009-07-30 Thread Ron Young
Ok, so all seem to be in agreement more or less. How do I break it to British Columbia Hydro? :-| I think they must be misunderstanding what they are asking for but the question is in the section for PV and on the same line as the total output in Kwh of the PV. Power Factor % I'll contact

Re: [RE-wrenches] "Quick Release" PV System

2009-07-30 Thread Joel Davidson
Quick-release started with the Los Angeles Fire Department. The PV industry rejected quick-release as impractical, costly, an invitation for theft, etc., but it won't go away. For lots of background info on fire safety requirements, see http://osfm.fire.ca.gov/training/photovoltaics.php -

[RE-wrenches] Raintight top entrance of Carlon box

2009-07-30 Thread Drake Chamberlin
William and Wrenches, To go into the top of a Carlon outdoor enclosure, box connectors are available. The Carlon part numbers are E996D for a 1/2" connector. The numbers for other sizes are E996E for 3/4", E996F for 1", etc. These are glue in connectors with a NEMA TC - 3 approval. http:/

Re: [RE-wrenches] Power Factor

2009-07-30 Thread Wind-sun.com
There is no such thing as a power factor for DC or for panels. .. Northern Arizona Wind & Sun - Electricity From The Sun Since 1979 Solar Discussion Forum: http://www.wind-sun.com/ForumVB/ .

Re: [RE-wrenches] Xantrex GT wired monitor

2009-07-30 Thread robert ellison
Hi Ryan, Is the cat 5 cable in the same conduit or really close to the AC lines? I have seen other remotes (Trace) in the same conduit that would scramble, one would do it in a day or so after power was applied. I did not do that install but figured out what i thought was happening and have avoided