Re: [RE-wrenches] Roofers installing solar = creative, new installation methods

2011-01-28 Thread Warren Lauzon
We have seen a lot of the roofing companies nibbling around the edges of solar installs lately. I have only seen a couple of installs personally, and they were far from what I would call professional or reliable. Not quite as bad as your example, but in one case they had used Romex to run the

[RE-wrenches] Solaredge

2011-01-28 Thread Kirk Herander, VSE
Hello, Can anyone speak to real-life pros and/or cons of Solaredge module MPPT products and performance? Thanks. Kirk Herander Vermont Solar Engineering 802.863.1202 NABCEP(tm) Certified Solar Installer NYSERDA-eligible Installer VT Solar Incentive Program Partner

Re: [RE-wrenches] Roofers installing solar = creative, new installation methods

2011-01-28 Thread Mike Nelson
I have seen one install in my local area, done by PetersonDean Roofing, they beat my bid by $1.50/watt, and actually did a very nice install, although they used cheaper chinese modules, and a string inverter (I was proposing enphase). But I was surprised by the clean conduit work, and flashings on

Re: [RE-wrenches] Cable Sizing - revisited, Ambient Temp

2011-01-28 Thread Dave Click
John, 240.4(B) allows the ampacity of a wire to drop below the OCPD rating so you could argue that wouldn't be a safety issue. It's always irritated me that these NEC derating factors have two decimal places so that you feel your calculations are extremely exact... and then your

Re: [RE-wrenches] Roofers installing solar = creative, new installation methods

2011-01-28 Thread Joel Davidson
Guys, You're missing a business opportunity. Instead of complaining about roofers' bad work and competition, show the company owners photos of their screw-ups and your quality work. Tell him that he is a risk. Then offer to do their design and electrical installation (let them do the sales,

Re: [RE-wrenches] Roofers installing solar = creative, new installation methods

2011-01-28 Thread Solar Energy Solutions
Joel,   Our company cannot survive without selling an entire system.  When we help the unqualified and untrained we legitimize unsubstantiated pv businesses.  We get  a dozen phone calls a month from folks wanting us to install their systems.  It is a rat hole and we have learned that not only

Re: [RE-wrenches] Roofers installing solar = creative, new installation methods

2011-01-28 Thread boB Gudgel
On 1/28/2011 8:41 AM, Solar Energy Solutions wrote: Joel, Our company cannot survive without selling an entire system. When we help the unqualified and untrained we legitimize unsubstantiated pv businesses. We get a dozen phone calls a month from folks wanting us to install their systems.

Re: [RE-wrenches] Roofers installing solar = creative, new installation methods

2011-01-28 Thread Dave Click
That's a nice built-in alarm feature that locking connectors just can't provide... Nick Soleil wrote: Hi wrenches: Have you noticed that roofing companies have recently been trying to sell solar? One company thought of something that I had never considered. Listen to this neat story. I was

Re: [RE-wrenches] Roofers installing solar = creative, new installation methods

2011-01-28 Thread Keith Cronin
Andrew Perhaps another approach could be warranted? Joint venture relationships can serve each party well, as long as their structured in a way that benefits the companies involved. Roofers are a good source of leads for us and visa versa. Its worked for me and I know of others that also see

Re: [RE-wrenches] Roofers installing solar = creative, new installation methods

2011-01-28 Thread David Brearley
Good points. Also, adding a PV system is in concert with a new roof is generally a best case scenario for the building owner. In terms of lead generation, it can also go both ways. Solar companies help generate business for the roofing contractors they recommend to customers or partner with on

[RE-wrenches] SunPower and SMA

2011-01-28 Thread Marco Mangelsdorf
Have any of you SunPower dealers used their modules with the fairly new SMA line of transformerless inverters (8, 9 and 10 kW @ 120/208 only)? I'm trying to get a compatibility answer directly from SunPower tech support, but am wondering if any of you have tried this combo. Thanks, marco

Re: [RE-wrenches] Roofers installing solar = creative, new installation methods

2011-01-28 Thread toddcory
I had a potential customer call me last week saying he had just bought a bunch of panels and those micro chip things (enphase inverters) so he could get a end of the year tax break. He wanted me to come and install it for him. I told him my work includes a comprehensive energy audit to gather

Re: [RE-wrenches] Roofers installing solar = creative, new installation methods

2011-01-28 Thread Joel Davidson
Andrew, Carter era contractors did not kneecap alternative energy industry in the 1970s, but that's not a wrenches subject. Sure, everyone has stories about bad customers, GCs, subs, equipment, etc. Some of us are honest enough to admit that we have made a mistake or two. You don't have to