Re: [RE-wrenches] intermittent battery problem; ...Battery Sulfation

2011-11-16 Thread toddcory
I digress but... the best battery for grid tie with backup is not lead antimony, but lead calcuum. Surrette makes these too and they use next to no water and have a much longer warrantied life. Todd On Wednesday, November 16, 2011 6:52pm, "Jeff Yago" said: No doubt these would be g

Re: [RE-wrenches] 3-phase wire run considerations

2011-11-16 Thread William Miller
Luke: Maximum inverter output will occur rarely. Most of the time the inverter(s) will be running at lesser output amps. One approach is to size wiring for a certain percentage of the average operating amps. What is the average operating amps? One way I have found to calculate this is use

Re: [RE-wrenches] 3-phase wire run considerations

2011-11-16 Thread Darryl Thayer
y seem to be on top of the situation.  I would use the MPPT wattage of the array for my source wattage.  devide by 480 volts and 1.73 for three phase and you have the current per leg.to do your voltage drop calcs from.   IO have not always been carefull to keep similar phases apart, but you will

Re: [RE-wrenches] 90 degree wire bends

2011-11-16 Thread Darryl Thayer
I have seen the lightening damage at tight bends, but in my electrical career of 60+ years I have not seen any other problems.  Darryl   From: Ray Walters To: RE-wrenches Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2011 12:11 PM Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] 90 degree wire bend

[RE-wrenches] 3-phase wire run considerations

2011-11-16 Thread Luke Christy
Hi Folks, In several months we will be installing a 100kW ground mounted PV system for one of our commercial customers. I'm in the planning stage and am looking at the wire runs. The site requires a 700' underground wire run between the 480V service and the single central inverter located

Re: [RE-wrenches] Sizing 3 phase OCPD - main

2011-11-16 Thread Darryl Thayer
Hi rebecca, I assume the inverters are all true 3 phase, to check 20 kW/480/1.73 = 24 amps this is what you expect on each leg.  You have 10 of these therefore 240 amps on each leg.  Solar is continous so you need x1.25 this is of course 301 amps you need to select a 301 breaker, but I think NE

Re: [RE-wrenches] intermittent battery problem; ...Battery Sulfation

2011-11-16 Thread Jeff Yago
Ron, This reply a little late since I have been off line a few days. I mentioned in a similar thread last year that I had an off grid home client I designed and installed in Idaho back in 1998 that had a Kohler 8.5 kw generator, a Trace 4024 inverter, two separate solar arrays and Outback char

Re: [RE-wrenches] intermittent battery problem; ...Battery Sulfation

2011-11-16 Thread Ron Young
You're correct Larry, my apologies. Been burning the candle at both ends. Thanks for your input. On 2011-11-16, at 9:04 AM, Larry Crutcher, Starlight Solar Power Systems wrote: > Ron, you have misquoted me so yes you are wrong. It is not about getting to > 32 volts. Go read it again. > > On No

Re: [RE-wrenches] SW4048 & AC Coupling

2011-11-16 Thread Richard L Ratico
Fellow Wrenches, I would welcome some feedback on this one: I may be "adopting" an eleven year old, Y2K, grid tie with battery back-up system. It consists of 12 - Astro-Power 120 modules, installed in 2000, 12 - Evergreen EC-110 modules installed in 2004, only one MX60, which controls BOTH sub-a

Re: [RE-wrenches] 90 degree wire bends

2011-11-16 Thread Ray Walters
It seems that if the strands were stretched and therefore thinned, that that would increase resistance, some. I think more importantly, the insulation bunchs up and cracks, and is definitely compromised. Also with strain hardening of copper, I'm sure some strands could break internally with a

Re: [RE-wrenches] Sizing 3 phase OCPD - main

2011-11-16 Thread Mark Frye
Rebekah, If you knew only the power and voltage, then you would use the root of 3 to determine the amps. But since you know the amps, you don't need to use the root. The second equation would be the correct one. Mark Frye Berkeley Solar Electric Systems 303 Redbud Way Nevada City, CA 9595

[RE-wrenches] Sizing 3 phase OCPD - main

2011-11-16 Thread Rebekah Hren
Hi wrenches,  I have a question about sizing the main OCP breaker for a panel combining the output of several true three-phase output inverters. To be precise - 10 of the  Refusol 20kW, which connect to  480V/277 Y with a max output of 24.1 amps, each inverter has a 3 pole breaker, line a, b, c a

[RE-wrenches] 90 degree wire bends

2011-11-16 Thread Marco Mangelsdorf
Some electricians have great fun in making 90 degree wire bends to try and make their enclosure wiring look so purdy. Given the importance of maintaining wiring radiuses, this can't be a good idea, can it? Is the issue greater resistance when the wire is bent at a straight 90 degrees (or more)

Re: [RE-wrenches] intermittent battery problem; ...Battery Sulfation

2011-11-16 Thread Larry Crutcher, Starlight Solar Power Systems
Ron, you have misquoted me so yes you are wrong. It is not about getting to 32 volts. Go read it again. On Nov 16, 2011, at 12:20 AM, Ron Young wrote: > Hi Daryl. I've got other KS25's in hybrid systems (wind gen & solar) that > seem to do fine over the last several years. The Ouback 3524 has a

Re: [RE-wrenches] intermittent battery problem; ...Battery Sulfation

2011-11-16 Thread Larry Crutcher, Starlight Solar Power Systems
We are only on your back until you to do the advisable thing: Sell them a battery capacity monitor. It is a hard fact that NO off grid, battery based power system should be without a battery capacity monitor. They are cheap (only $150!) and not an option. Apparently, it is also hard learned fact

[RE-wrenches] Sharp triangles

2011-11-16 Thread Marco Mangelsdorf
Does Sharp still make those quasi-triangular mods? Thanks, marco ___ List sponsored by Home Power magazine List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Options & settings: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org

Re: [RE-wrenches] combiner bus bar for Sunny Tower DC input?

2011-11-16 Thread North Texas Renewable Energy Inc
You will need a fuse for each inverter for the same reason you would need a fuse for 4 PV strings. Jim Duncan North Texas Renewable Energy -Original Message- From: re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org [mailto:re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org]On Behalf Of Glenn Burt Sen

Re: [RE-wrenches] intermittent battery problem; ...Battery Sulfation

2011-11-16 Thread Ron Young
Hi Daryl. I've got other KS25's in hybrid systems (wind gen & solar) that seem to do fine over the last several years. The Ouback 3524 has an 85 amp charger. There was no problem getting to 32 v and holding it for eight hours. This has been done twice now. Larry and others attribute the abilit

Re: [RE-wrenches] intermittent battery problem; ...Battery Sulfation

2011-11-16 Thread Ron Young
Hi Larry, no amp hour meter installed yet as the customer is penny pinching. We're trying to solve the problem first and I've been out there twice, once to do general diagnostics and check all connections, try to load test the batteries, and so on; the second time I 'dropped in' to try a differe