[RE-wrenches] For off-grid wrenches....

2012-03-22 Thread holtek
.from the hearth side of my businessI found this interesting video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Slsqo30OkDU&context=C36278a2ADOEgsToPDskI6MhRqXC67BzDFbDW0q take note of the size of the load of the hand held vac. Holt E. Kelly Holtek Fireplace & Solar Products 500 Jewell Dr. Waco TX. 7

[RE-wrenches] Listed Battery Enclosure?

2012-03-22 Thread All Solar, Inc.
Wrenches, I am looking to install some Surrette dual container batteries. 24- 2v cells and the inspector is looking for a 'listed' enclosure. Any takes on this? Jeremy All Solar, Inc. Jeremy and Amy Rodriguez 1463 M St Penrose, CO 81240 www.asolarelectric.com Phone 719-372-3808 Fax 719-372-380

Re: [RE-wrenches] Listed Battery Enclosure?

2012-03-22 Thread Dana
Jeremy, If you do not find a Listed enclosure you do not have to provide one. In other words if it does not exist it cannot be required. I have yet to hear of one. It was so with wind generators for a long time till one came out. Thanks Dana Orzel - Great Solar Works, Inc - E - d...@sola

Re: [RE-wrenches] Listed Battery Enclosure?

2012-03-22 Thread Mark Frye
Is there a Standard to which a battery enclosure can be tested such that it can be listed and marked as conforming to the requirements of performance that a battery enclosure must conform to in order for that battery enclosure to be used as a battery enclosure? Is the inspector looking at the

Re: [RE-wrenches] Listed Battery Enclosure?

2012-03-22 Thread b...@midnitesolar.com
The battery enclosure standards that MidNite is listed for is UL508A 1st edition and CSA-C22.2#14-10, 11th edition I don't think we have one that will fit this very large size of battery, but I'm not 100% sure on that. boB On 3/22/2012 3:24 PM, Mark Frye wrote: Is there a Standard to

Re: [RE-wrenches] Listed Battery Enclosure?

2012-03-22 Thread Brian Teitelbaum
Jeremy, Sometimes the best "enclosure" is a locked room. Is it possible in this case to wall off the space and provide a locked door with a sign reading "Authorized Personnel Only" on the door? Brian Teitelbaum AEE Solar From: re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org [mailto:re-wrenches-boun

Re: [RE-wrenches] Listed Battery Enclosure?

2012-03-22 Thread Mark Frye
Still, if you put 2 x 4's on the ground between the batteries and the floor, wouldn't the 2x4's have to be UL listed? On 3/22/2012 3:53 PM, Brian Teitelbaum wrote: Jeremy, Sometimes the best "enclosure" is a locked room. Is it possible in this case to wall off the space and provide a locked

Re: [RE-wrenches] Listed Battery Enclosure?

2012-03-22 Thread Kent Osterberg
I agree, Brian; especially when the battery system is large. It's important to design the room so it can be in compliance with NEC 480.9. (A) Ventilation, (B) Guarding live parts. The locked door qualifies, and (C) Working space. Kent Osterberg Blue Mountain Solar, Inc. www.bluemountainsolar.c

Re: [RE-wrenches] Listed Battery Enclosure?

2012-03-22 Thread benn kilburn
Jeremy,Is the inspector citing a specific code rule, necessitating a "listed" battery enclosure? If no such code rule exists then he is likely unfamiliar with the requirement and is shooting for 'something'.I have not seen or heard of such an enclosure, but there are requirements for proper ve

Re: [RE-wrenches] Listed Battery Enclosure?

2012-03-22 Thread allsolar
He stated "We cannot have any combustible materials" when I mentioned wood Jeremy Sent via BlackBerry. Sorry for typos and shorthand! -Original Message- From: benn kilburn Sender: re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.orgDate: Thu, 22 Mar 2012 18:16:27 To: Wrenches Reply-To: RE-wrenche

Re: [RE-wrenches] Listed Battery Enclosure?

2012-03-22 Thread Dana
Perhaps ask the AHJ what a listed box entails? I have presented numerous AHJ's with a multitude of boxes and never had any questioned. Vent with fan, inlet air on diagonal lower side from fan, sloped top, minor containment, clear Plexi glass top, jug of neutralizer = no issue Or appeal to his su

Re: [RE-wrenches] Listed Battery Enclosure?

2012-03-22 Thread Jason Szumlanski
I agree. Eliminate the "enclosure" and you eliminate his complaint. Just make them accessible only to authorized personnel and provide adequate working space. That should work. I've never understood how a metallic battery enclosure is safer than a non-conductive enclosure, regardless of combustibi

Re: [RE-wrenches] Listed Battery Enclosure?

2012-03-22 Thread Kent Osterberg
Considering that wood trays are mentioned in NEC 480.8(B), it would be unreasonable to exclude wood. Kent Osterberg Blue Mountain Solar, Inc. www.bluemountainsolar.com t: 541-568-4882 On 3/22/2012 5:24 PM, allso...@scswifi.net wrote: He stated "We cannot have any combustible materials" when I