Re: [RE-wrenches] Defective modules-Chinese crap?

2013-05-30 Thread Troy Harvey
Bill, As far as I know, there is no american manufacturer that is left standing who has been in the business for decades. Solarworld's USA plant, if that is who you mean, has bounced around ownership at least 3 times in the last 20 years (arco, shell, siemans, solarworld), and they shut down th

Re: [RE-wrenches] Defective modules

2013-05-30 Thread John Blittersdorf
Hilton, This article just confirms what I have always suspected. Cost cutting could compromise quality and this also reinforces my business practice to buy American from solid companies. Obviously the choices are limited and the prices a few cents higher. This said, I have sold dozens of b

Re: [RE-wrenches] Defective modules

2013-05-30 Thread Carl Emerson
Hi there, Hilton's third question is important. Are we seeing a rise in thin film failure or is this only mono and poly? Regards Carl Emerson _ From: re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org [mailto:re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org] On Behalf Of Hilton Dier III Se

[RE-wrenches] used panel mount questions

2013-05-30 Thread Todd Cory
wrenches, i have a customer who purchased 20 used astropower ap75 modules. they are frameless and appear to have been previously mounted using four, 2" wide X 10" long strips of blue rigid foam, glued to the back of each module with some kind of

[RE-wrenches] pump questions

2013-05-30 Thread Todd Cory
this question is part 2 about the customer with the used astropower 75 watt modules - he has a grundfos 11sqf-2 already set by the well driller. the input specifications for the cu200 pump & controller are 30 to 300 vdc, 1400 watts, 8 amps.

Re: [RE-wrenches] used panel mount questions

2013-05-30 Thread Allan Sindelar
Todd, I don't have your answers, only the caution that "blue foam" to many of us with a construction background means extruded polystyrene or "blueboard", commonly used around foundations. It deteriorates with exposure to sunlight, so could only be used in a

Re: [RE-wrenches] used panel mount questions

2013-05-30 Thread jay peltz
Hi Allan and Todd. these modules sound like the ones that Powerlight used back many years ago. These modules were mounted flat with the blue foam as insulation/mounting. the concept while pretty cool at first look didn't work out. Not sure what to tell you about what/how to mount them too howev

Re: [RE-wrenches] used panel mount questions

2013-05-30 Thread Exeltech
I agree with Allen, and would like to add a related comment.  Foam boards are thermally insulative in nature.  If affixed to the PV with adhesive, they would cause the PV module to run hotter than if the backsheet was fully exposed to the air. This results in reduced energy output under all condit

Re: [RE-wrenches] used panel mount questions

2013-05-30 Thread toddcory
good point dan... i wonder how frameless modules are intended to be mounted? todd On Thursday, May 30, 2013 4:00pm, "Exeltech" said: I agree with Allen, and would like to add a related comment. Foam boards are thermally insulative in nature. If affixed to the PV with adhesive, the

Re: [RE-wrenches] used panel mount questions

2013-05-30 Thread Exeltech
I've seen rack "edge clamps" for frameless PV advertised, but didn't make a mental note of made by whom, or where I saw the ad.  I *do* recall the clamps were intended to be located along the long edges, not the ends.  Otherwise, expansion/contraction would stress/break the glass. There's a wealth

Re: [RE-wrenches] used panel mount questions

2013-05-30 Thread jay peltz
Hi Dan, Schletter solar has some. under their Laminate modules and accessories section. jay peltz power On May 30, 2013, at 4:25 PM, Exeltech wrote: > I've seen rack "edge clamps" for frameless PV advertised, but didn't make a > mental note of made by whom, or where I saw the ad. I *do* rec

Re: [RE-wrenches] used panel mount questions

2013-05-30 Thread Chris Mason
Schletter makes those clamps. On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 7:25 PM, Exeltech wrote: > I've seen rack "edge clamps" for frameless PV advertised, but didn't make a > mental note of made by whom, or where I saw the ad. I *do* recall the > clamps > were intended to be located along the long edges, not

Re: [RE-wrenches] pump questions

2013-05-30 Thread Allan Sindelar
Todd, The SQF runs on 30V or more, but is happiest above 90V according to Grundfos, and I have never heard anything suggesting a disadvantage to the higher voltages. I think the 1400 watts is a theoretical maximum, and the pump will vary its operation

[RE-wrenches] Fronius Arc-Fault Protection

2013-05-30 Thread Nathan Stumpff
Wrenches, It looks like the new Fronius Arc-Fault detecting line is available through distribution (IG Plus Advanced...) Anyone had a chance to try it out? Any initial impressions? It makes me a little nervous that it still isn't on their website other than a short press release and the person

[RE-wrenches] modules

2013-05-30 Thread jay peltz
A question about US made modules. Who actually makes the cells here in the us? Only 2 that i know of, I"m sure there are more. Solar world. First solar who else? thanks, jay peltz power ___ List sponsored by Home Power magazine List Address: RE-wre

Re: [RE-wrenches] modules

2013-05-30 Thread Bill Hoffer
Jay Suniva cells made in Georgia, modules made in China. Have been qualified ARRA compliant...which means nothing of course since anyone signing onto any trade agreement with the US is exempt from it, including Tiawan ( that is why most cells are made there "officially") Bill On Thu, May 30, 2

[RE-wrenches] Adhesives. (Was "used panel mount questions")

2013-05-30 Thread Exeltech
Wrenches, There are PV-specific adhesives certified for use on backsheets. Examples are: Dow-Corning 737 Dow-Corning 804 Tonsan 1527 and others. These are silicone-based, but NOT at all like what you'd buy from big-box or similar outlets. Consumer-type silicone adhesives such as Ray mentioned

Re: [RE-wrenches] used panel mount questions

2013-05-30 Thread Wallace W. Weeks
Haticon would be another option. Sent from W.W.W'S iPhone On May 30, 2013, at 4:41 PM, Chris Mason wrote: > Schletter makes those clamps. > > > On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 7:25 PM, Exeltech wrote: >> >> I've seen rack "edge clamps" for frameless PV advertised, but didn't make a >> mental note o

Re: [RE-wrenches] modules

2013-05-30 Thread Brian Teitelbaum
Suniva has some limited module production capacity in Georgia, so not all of their modules are assembled in Taiwan. You just have to specify that you want all US-made modules when you order them. I don't know if Silicon Energy in Washington State makes their own cells there or not, but might be

Re: [RE-wrenches] Adhesives. (Was "used panel mount questions")

2013-05-30 Thread Bill Hoffer
Also realize that most chaulks use acetone to cure faster, not good for back sheets. PV adhesives are air cured and take a lot longer to become full strength, at least 24 hrs under ideal conditions! PV804 is bomb proof, I have done adhesion tests on junction boxes And I literally had to destroy

Re: [RE-wrenches] modules

2013-05-30 Thread Jesse Dahl
Silicon Energy's cells are made in Taiwan last I talked to them. Jesse Sent from my iPhone On May 30, 2013, at 8:04 PM, Brian Teitelbaum wrote: > Suniva has some limited module production capacity in Georgia, so not all of > their modules are assembled in Taiwan. You just have to specify tha

Re: [RE-wrenches] pump questions

2013-05-30 Thread Jesse Dahl
I was reading up on the SQF pump and do remember seeing something about efficiency at higher voltages. Can't remember if it got better or worse. Jesse Sent from my iPhone On May 30, 2013, at 6:44 PM, Allan Sindelar wrote: > Todd, > The SQF runs on 30V or more, but is happiest above 90V acc

Re: [RE-wrenches] used panel mount questions

2013-05-30 Thread don
I would not trust adhesive on the backs of panels for decades. This would be especially a concern with tiltups or ground mounts where there is more wind loading. When mounting some frameless BP modules I made some 4-inch long edge moldings of slotted hard foam called SeaFoam that is sold (but not m

Re: [RE-wrenches] modules

2013-05-30 Thread All Solar
Suniva Sent by Jeremy's iPhone. Sorry for typos and shorthand! On May 30, 2013, at 5:49 PM, jay peltz wrote: > A question about US made modules. > > Who actually makes the cells here in the us? > > Only 2 that i know of, I"m sure there are more. > Solar world. > First solar > > who else? >

Re: [RE-wrenches] used panel mount questions

2013-05-30 Thread Bill Hoffer
Don Actually Very High Bond (VHB) foam tapes are incredibly strong and if formulated for glass, will work quite well. They have been using it for decades to mount heavy glass and aluminum panels on curtain walls on sky scrapers. I would trust it totally as long as it was not bought at HomeDepot.