Re: [RE-wrenches] Old Modules for GIT system?

2013-06-04 Thread Brian Teitelbaum
Ray makes a great point. Just the labor that it would take to test the modules will greatly reduce their real value to the owner. If you do leave that array as-is, you should at least take a look to make sure the wiring is OK. Bad wiring on a steep hillside could be a severe fire hazard, with t

Re: [RE-wrenches] Old Modules for GIT system?

2013-06-04 Thread Ray Walters
Depending on the original work, I'd look at sealed batteries and leave it alone. I've done a bunch of rewires, and you're really wasting the customer's money to rewire 80 watt modules. ( module J boxes are so 1990s) Meanwhile those 80 watt modules have decent resell value for small 12 v sy

Re: [RE-wrenches] Old Modules for GIT system?

2013-06-04 Thread Dana
Cell phone calculator on a 45° hill side = bad calc. They are not tested [at 18+’ in the air on a 45 deg hill they are just up there [climbing harness access only], but have been supplying 2 Sunfrost ref & freezer and a collection of DC water pumping with consistent power without backup. We will b

Re: [RE-wrenches] Defective modules

2013-06-04 Thread Carl Emerson
Hi Todd. Thanks for this, but I think we need something more recent. I have the Solar Shootout data from back in '98 when they gagged the results. Carl E. is the attached file what you are looking for? if not... i think i can dig up that "solar shootout" article from way back.

Re: [RE-wrenches] Defective modules

2013-06-04 Thread Carl Emerson
I found this summary from NERL, released 2011 Reported degradation rates in the literature appear to show a significant improvement for thin-film technologies during the past decade mirroring findings of our own study encompassing more than 40 modules. A Shell Solar CIGS 1.12 kW system fiel

Re: [RE-wrenches] Old Modules for GIT system?

2013-06-04 Thread Brian Teitelbaum
There's copper in them thar hills! You might even be able to buy 1kW of new PV with that. But is your math wrong? 24 x 80W = 1920W not 960W. Have you tested these modules? Solarex does not have a great track record. The APT PowerCenter puts this back about 20 years, so they aren't exactly young

Re: [RE-wrenches] Old Modules for GIT system?

2013-06-04 Thread Dana
I forgot to add to add we have 220' of 4 X 4/0 Thhn running to the house. With today's prices I could pull that out and purchase a couple of the Enphase inverters Dana Orzel Great Solar Works, Inc - NABCEP # 051112

[RE-wrenches] Fwd: Re: 24V charging with 60 cell modules

2013-06-04 Thread Allan Sindelar
OK, here's my last post on this thread, forwarding Eric's off list reply. Nada mas, I promise, as the circle is complete. Allan Original Message Allen, That is the concern. While it wouldn't hurt the controller to

Re: [RE-wrenches] Old Modules for GIT system?

2013-06-04 Thread Steven Lawrence
Dana, Maybe wire 3 in series to a single Enphase? It'll depend on what the voltages are. > Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2013 14:01:42 -0600 > From: "Dana" > To: "'RE-wrenches'" > Subject: [RE-wrenches] Old Modules for GIT system? > Message-ID: <05f401ce615e$55773960$0065ac20$@com> > Content-Type: text/p

Re: [RE-wrenches] Defective modules

2013-06-04 Thread Carl Emerson
OK any good data from outdoor tests showing energy produced by thin film compared to crystalline in the same conditions would be most helpful. Can anyone confirm that NERL tested Unisolar for long term degradation and the results were not published. is this a myth? Carl E. HI Carl,

[RE-wrenches] Due diligence

2013-06-04 Thread Michael Welch
Hi gang. If you have any questions or concerns about this post, please contact me OFF LIST. I am saddened to report a situation wherein one Wrench list member responded to an equipment-wanted query from another, and the former has unable to collect on the debt owed for the equipment. Just for

[RE-wrenches] Old Modules for GIT system?

2013-06-04 Thread Dana
I have a client eat has a 24 - Solarex SX 80 PV module system that was off grid, Trace inverter, APT Power panel and an very aged L-16 battery bank. The utility came in and he wants to go grid tie. It is or was only 960 watt originally. I realize that an array rewire is in order and it may only

[RE-wrenches] 24V charging with 60 cell modules

2013-06-04 Thread frank -bz products
2 cents worth. Boost/buck boost configuration converters use to increase the PV voltage are only about 80 to 85 % efficient. -- Frank Lewon BZ Products INC. 8801 Gravois Rd. St. Louis MO 63123 USA ___ List sponsored by Home Power magazine List Addres

Re: [RE-wrenches] 24V charging with 60 cell modules

2013-06-04 Thread lance barker
I should have included that the two Arco modules wired in series are M 51 model, and they have 35 cells each. I had to wolf my lunch and go out and count the cells, you'd think I could remember, I've had these modules a long time, probably bought them from Dave. Lance On Jun 4, 2013, at 11:59 AM

Re: [RE-wrenches] 24V charging with 60 cell modules

2013-06-04 Thread lance barker
Mac, I'm not much of a poster, but there is another answer. Although I largely agree with the answers you've gotten, as far as they go, but I use a boost M PPT controller from http://genasun.com to trickle charge my 36 V Elek track from a pair of Arco modules. It's not adjustable but is marine g

Re: [RE-wrenches] 24V charging with 60 cell modules

2013-06-04 Thread Brian Teitelbaum
Hi Allan, If I can jump in here: using a 60-cell module on a 24V battery is similar to using two (in series) of the old 30-cell "self-regulating" modules that were available way back in the 80's. While it was found that those modules were not nearly as effective at charging 12V batteries as 36-

Re: [RE-wrenches] 24V charging with 60 cell modules

2013-06-04 Thread Jason Szumlanski
I know this isn't Facebook, but if there were a 'like' button, I would click it. This is probably a more common question than we realize, and I agree with the answer by Allan/Bob-O. I wonder if we could convince Solar Converters, Inc. to make a cost effective and flexible DC converter to boost the

Re: [RE-wrenches] 24V charging with 60 cell modules

2013-06-04 Thread David Katz
Hi Mac, You can do it if you don't need much power. That module will float and equalize the battery but as the voltage rises, the current will drop significantly. I used one 230 watt module for a year to charge a 24 volt battery with an 11 watt load on it and it worked fine. It is probably ch

Re: [RE-wrenches] 24V charging with 60 cell modules

2013-06-04 Thread Allan Sindelar
Eric, Please explain further, as what you wrote makes no sense to me. Mac didn't indicate whether he wanted to charge a flooded battery (~29.2V) or sealed (~28.4V). The C-series of PWM controllers has a fixed two-hour absorption, which it only counts down once the

Re: [RE-wrenches] 24V charging with 60 cell modules

2013-06-04 Thread Eric . Bentsen
Hi Mac, A PWM charge controller, such as the C35, will work in this application, because it will act like a switch that connects the panel to the battery. While the bulk voltage will likely be slightly higher than Vmp, once the controller transitions to float, which is approx 27V for most batt

Re: [RE-wrenches] 24V charging with 60 cell modules

2013-06-04 Thread Bob-O Schultze
Mac, No way to do this effectively. You need at least 72 cells to effectively charge a 24V battery, especially during hot weather. Bob-O On Jun 4, 2013, at 8:04 AM, Mac Lewis wrote: Hello wrenches, Is there a good method to charge 24V battery bank with single 60 cell modules? Ideally, I'd lik

[RE-wrenches] 24V charging with 60 cell modules

2013-06-04 Thread Mac Lewis
Hello wrenches, Is there a good method to charge 24V battery bank with single 60 cell modules? Ideally, I'd like to charge a 24 V bank with a Kyocera 245GX-LFB. However, at NOTC the Vmp is 26.8V. Any good way to do this? Thanks in advance. -- Mac Lewis * "Yo solo sé que no sé nada." -Sóc