Re: [RE-wrenches] Generator and AC coupling on a Sol-Ark

2021-05-04 Thread drake . chamberlin
You can even buy a kit. https://www.solar-electric.com/outback-power-gs-ac-gen-kit-generator-back-up-kit.html This provides an enclosure for the contactor. --- On 2021-05-04 16:03, Jason Szumlanski wrote: What happens when the contactor fails? I don't trust a NC contactor that is supposed to

Re: [RE-wrenches] Generator and AC coupling on a Sol-Ark

2021-05-04 Thread Dave Tedeyan
I suppose the question here is - which is the worse failure mode? A. Solar turning off until an electrician can fix it. OR B. Not knowing the contactor failed until it does not open when the generator turns on and running the risk that the solar backfeeds the generator and breaks it. For off-grid

Re: [RE-wrenches] Generator and AC coupling on a Sol-Ark

2021-05-04 Thread Chris Schaefer
Jason, A valid concern which is why I always wire them as powered open so if there is a failure it would transition closed or not open. Christopher On Tue, May 4, 2021 at 4:15 PM Jason Szumlanski < ja...@floridasolardesigngroup.com> wrote: > What happens when the contactor fails? I don't trust

Re: [RE-wrenches] Generator and AC coupling on a Sol-Ark

2021-05-04 Thread Jason Szumlanski
What happens when the contactor fails? I don't trust a NC contactor that is supposed to open on 240Vac coil voltage from the generator. It's not a failsafe solution. Jason On Tue, May 4, 2021, 3:15 PM Drake wrote: > P.S. The contactor method is even mentioned somewhere in the Outback > litera

Re: [RE-wrenches] Generator and AC coupling on a Sol-Ark

2021-05-04 Thread Drake
P.S. The contactor method is even mentioned somewhere in the Outback literature. I've been using it for years. It is very simple and requires no complex equipment. It will not interfere with rapid shutdown. 40 A, 240 V contactors with 240 V coils are readily available and not terribly expensive

Re: [RE-wrenches] Generator and AC coupling on a Sol-Ark

2021-05-04 Thread Glenn Burt
This may not be a good idea if you want to retain rapid shutdown compliance… -Glenn From: RE-wrenches On Behalf Of Jeff Clearwater Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2021 12:20 PM To: RE-wrenches ; Dave Tedeyan Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] Generator and AC coupling on a Sol-Ark Hi Dave ~ Well th

Re: [RE-wrenches] Generator and AC coupling on a Sol-Ark

2021-05-04 Thread Jeff Clearwater
Hi Dave ~ Well this might not be the answer you are looking for but I'd take a serious look at the relative hassle of rewiring the array to DC. Sol-Ark's shine in DC coupled mode - highly efficient - and then you have the generator port open (now not used for AC coupling) available for the ge

Re: [RE-wrenches] Generator and AC coupling on a Sol-Ark

2021-05-04 Thread Chris Schaefer
Dave, My initial background comes from the Industrial Controls world w/ a strong military influence. Given that the generator probably has some kind of transfer switch, chances are that the transfer switch has a dry contact in which can be used to power a relay. I normally use ASCO transfer switch

Re: [RE-wrenches] Generator and AC coupling on a Sol-Ark

2021-05-04 Thread drake . chamberlin
Get a contactor with a 240 VAC coil. Connect the coil wire wires to the 240 V output circuit of the generator, so when the generator comes on, the contactor opens. Run the current from the AC coupled Enphase inverters through the contacts from common to N/C. --- On 2021-05-03 10:26, Dave Tedey