Re: [RE-wrenches] Tesla Powerwalls

2021-07-20 Thread Blake Gleason
Oops, I meant "non-Tesla-Direct certified installers like us" (ie, independent Tesla dealers, versus Tesla's internal installation group) in the message below. (Thanks Marco!) Blake Gleason, PE Director of Innovation & Technical Excellence Sun Light & Power On Tue, Jul 20, 2021, 8:40 PM Blake

Re: [RE-wrenches] Tesla Powerwalls

2021-07-20 Thread Blake Gleason
Jason, They announced that Tesla Direct would stop offering standalone Powerwall installs, and would only take orders for PV+Powerwall. That announcement has confused just about everyone because Tesla marketing is very LOUD and generally ignores the existence of non-Tesla certified installers

Re: [RE-wrenches] Tesla Powerwalls

2021-07-20 Thread Marco Mangelsdorf
Tesla continues to maintain their Certified Installer network. Tesla Direct sells direct to the consumer/homeowner in a number of geographic territories. marco On Tuesday, July 20, 2021, Jason Szumlanski < ja...@floridasolardesigngroup.com> wrote: > Didn't Tesla explicitly cut off it's dealer

Re: [RE-wrenches] Snap-n-rack bonding certification

2021-07-20 Thread William Miller
Rebekah: Thanks for your help with this. Because I snapped up all of the 100 series rack I could (pun intended), I am past the recertification with newer modules. My argument is that although the rail was discontinued, the clips remain. What I did is extracted a page from the UR series

Re: [RE-wrenches] Lithium battery cable lengths

2021-07-20 Thread Barton Churchill
Glad you found it, Jay. You also don’t need to match the length of AC conductors on paralleled inverters. [cidb2f78c46-71ed-4265-93ae-19555889454e]Barton Churchill Director, Power Division 2042 Stadium Drive Suite 2 • Bozeman, MT 59715 • (O) 406-587-2917 • (D) 406-589-4493 235 E. Broadway •

Re: [RE-wrenches] Snap-n-rack bonding certification

2021-07-20 Thread jay
Can WEEBS be used instead? jay peltz power > On Jul 20, 2021, at 4:37 PM, Rebekah Hren wrote: > > Hi William > > Groan, I don't see that precise model in the series 100 installation manual > > on pg

[RE-wrenches] outback grid tie low selling update

2021-07-20 Thread jay
The update is that indeed the inverter was set at 3.7 instead of the 18 amps that it should have been. jay peltz power ___ List sponsored by Redwood Alliance Pay optional member dues here: http://re-wrenches.org List Address:

Re: [RE-wrenches] Lithium battery cable lengths

2021-07-20 Thread jay
HI Barton, Thanks for the explanation, and it confirms that battery one is doing more work than #6. jay > On Jul 20, 2021, at 4:53 PM, Barton Churchill wrote: > > I think you’ll find it stated in the Blue Planet installation manual. I’ve > installed dozens of their systems over three

Re: [RE-wrenches] Snap-n-rack bonding certification

2021-07-20 Thread Rebekah Hren
Minor update, I got word from Snapnrack that: "The new protocol established with UL eliminates the need to include the wattage ranges for each module type" Still a pain and the manufacturer/model should be on the rack manufacturer list - but not down to the precise wattage - so slightly less of a

Re: [RE-wrenches] Tesla Powerwalls

2021-07-20 Thread Jason Szumlanski
Didn't Tesla explicitly cut off it's dealer network and essentially tell the world that they are only selling Powerwalls direct with purchase of PV from Tesla? I thought Powerwall was essentially dead to smaller independent dealers. Jason On Tue, Jul 20, 2021, 8:13 PM Marco Mangelsdorf wrote:

Re: [RE-wrenches] Tesla Powerwalls

2021-07-20 Thread Marco Mangelsdorf
Wow, Blake. I'm stunned and really feel for you. I can only hope that Elon and crew are able to significantly ramp production. Thanks for responding. marco On Tuesday, July 20, 2021, Blake Gleason wrote: > Hi Marco, > > After installing a bunch of Powerwalls over the last few years, our

Re: [RE-wrenches] Tesla Powerwalls

2021-07-20 Thread Blake Gleason
Hi Marco, After installing a bunch of Powerwalls over the last few years, our supply from Tesla dried up completely about one year ago. We have taken zero deliveries of Powerwalls in the last 12 months, with many dozens of customers who expected their batteries for LAST fire season and are now

Re: [RE-wrenches] Lithium battery cable lengths

2021-07-20 Thread Barton Churchill
I think you’ll find it stated in the Blue Planet installation manual. I’ve installed dozens of their systems over three years and never paid attention to cable length. One solar self consumption system I let run over the winter without ever reaching a full charge and the cabinets didn’t drift

Re: [RE-wrenches] Lithium battery cable lengths

2021-07-20 Thread jay
HI Barton, OK so please explain how the BMU/BMS is controlling watt hrs between the batteries as I’ve not heard that this is possible. The batteries are Blue planet jay > On Jul 20, 2021, at 4:04 PM, Barton Churchill wrote: > > If each lithium battery has an internal BMU and your wires

Re: [RE-wrenches] Lithium battery cable lengths

2021-07-20 Thread jay
HI Dave, Not my design, but I”m checking for him jay > On Jul 20, 2021, at 4:02 PM, Dave Angelini Offgrid Solar > wrote: > > Seems wrong to me! The lengths need to be very close. Why would you not > do this Jay? > > > Dave Angelini Offgrid Solar > "we go where powerlines don't" >

Re: [RE-wrenches] Snap-n-rack bonding certification

2021-07-20 Thread Rebekah Hren
Hi William Groan, I don't see that precise model in the series 100 installation manual on pg 74 which is the bonding evaluation list of modules I hope for your sake Snapnrack will send an email the AHJ will

Re: [RE-wrenches] Lithium battery cable lengths

2021-07-20 Thread Barton Churchill
If each lithium battery has an internal BMU and your wires are sized properly for their output it does not matter. From: RE-wrenches on behalf of Dave Angelini Offgrid Solar Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2021 4:02:20 PM To: RE-wrenches Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches]

Re: [RE-wrenches] Lithium battery cable lengths

2021-07-20 Thread Dave Angelini Offgrid Solar
Seems wrong to me! The lengths need to be very close. Why would you not do this Jay? Dave Angelini Offgrid Solar "we go where powerlines don't" http://members.sti.net/offgridsolar/ e-mail offgridso...@sti.net text 209 813 0060 On Tue, 20 Jul 2021 14:58:10 -0600, Jay wrote: > Hi all > > I’ve

Re: [RE-wrenches] Snap-n-rack bonding certification

2021-07-20 Thread Sam Haraldson
The SnapNrack UL 2703 document highlights it's UL listing when used with Type 1 and Type 2 modules. https://snapnrack.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/SnapNrack_Fire_Classification_Tech_Bulletin_v.2-1.pdf *SnapNrack Series 100, Ultra Rail and RL systems have been Certified for a Class A fire

[RE-wrenches] Snap-n-rack bonding certification

2021-07-20 Thread William Miller
Friends: I received the following correction noticed from a hired plan-checker: *Please provide the technical listing for the support rail system documenting that the supports have been tested with the PERC 60 panels. The UL 2703 listing requires the two to be tested/listed together for the

[RE-wrenches] Lithium battery cable lengths

2021-07-20 Thread Jay
Hi all I’ve got a design for a lithium battery that has a 12’ longer run from furthest battery vs closer battery. 6 batteries in all. So lengths go from 0-12’ plus to the combiner/ disconnect. What is the feeling about running different lengths vs making them all the same length? How

[RE-wrenches] Tesla Powerwalls

2021-07-20 Thread Marco Mangelsdorf
Aloha all, For those of you, like me, who are Tesla Certified Installers, I’m curious as to 1) how well you feel you’re being adequately supplied with Powerwalls and 2) whether any of you have installed their new “back up switch”? Thanks, marco ___

Re: [RE-wrenches] Is Solark UL 9540 Certified?

2021-07-20 Thread Jason Szumlanski
This all seems to greatly advantage "ac battery" systems like the Powerwall and AC Coupling of PV when it comes to codes and standards. Jason Szumlanski Florida Solar Design Group On Tue, Jul 20, 2021, 3:37 PM Eric Smiley wrote: > Sol-Ark says it has UL9540 with Simpli-Phi >

Re: [RE-wrenches] Is Solark UL 9540 Certified?

2021-07-20 Thread Darryl Thayer
Hi all, my experiance, is a Lead Acid battery is acceptable under 480 Storage Batteries. 480 is the older article and Lead Acid has been used with great success particularly under 48 volts with no outside disconnect required. 480.7(A) On Tue, Jul 20, 2021, 2:37 PM Eric Smiley wrote: > Sol-Ark

Re: [RE-wrenches] Is Solark UL 9540 Certified?

2021-07-20 Thread Bill Hennessy
Hi Lorenzo--Simpliphi's website has a a blurb about their batteries being 9540 listed with Sol-Ark. Here's the link: SimpliPhi AccESS Sol-Ark integrated energy storage & management | | | | | | | | | | | SimpliPhi AccESS Sol-Ark integrated energy storage & management SimpliPhi your

Re: [RE-wrenches] Is Solark UL 9540 Certified?

2021-07-20 Thread Eric Smiley
Sol-Ark says it has UL9540 with Simpli-Phi https://www.sol-ark.com/battery-partners/ You should ask for documentation. NFPA 855 and the new electrical code rules are going to change the off-grid market drastically. Not only do you need the inverter and battery certified to work together per

Re: [RE-wrenches] Is Solark UL 9540 Certified?

2021-07-20 Thread Mac Lewis
Yes, NEC is vague on this but we have seen this as well. I think you may need a *Simpliphi Access* cabinet like this to get the listing: https://simpliphipower.com/product/access-phi-sol-ark/ This is UL listed to 9540 even though its probably very similar to what you have designed.

Re: [RE-wrenches] Is Solark UL 9540 Certified?

2021-07-20 Thread Brian Mehalic
Simpliphi has at least two combinations of specific batteries + SolArk that it says are 9540 listed as a combination. See spec sheets/fully integrated systems on their site You may have to dig further to find the actual certificates or whatever the AHJ is asking for. Or maybe these aren’t the

Re: [RE-wrenches] Is Solark UL 9540 Certified?

2021-07-20 Thread Lorenzo Ortiz
Yessir, good old California... On Tue, Jul 20, 2021 at 11:05 AM Dave Angelini Offgrid Solar < offgridso...@sti.net> wrote: > Sounds like California Loren? > > I use Schneider and they have UL9540 certs. > > Here is a link to them and yes I have been asked this locally. > > >

Re: [RE-wrenches] Is Solark UL 9540 Certified?

2021-07-20 Thread Dave Angelini Offgrid Solar
Sounds like California Loren? I use Schneider and they have UL9540 certs. Here is a link to them and yes I have been asked this locally. https://solar.schneider-electric.com/schneider-electric-solar-and-discover-battery-attain-ul-9540-certification-for-xw-pro-and-aes-batteries/ Dave

[RE-wrenches] Is Solark UL 9540 Certified?

2021-07-20 Thread Lorenzo Ortiz
Wrenches, We have recently had an AHJ reject our Solark 12k system with Simpliphi batteries stating: *"Energy storage systems are required to be listed per UL 9540 per NEC 706.5 (See also Annex A in the NEC, under energy storage systems). The Sol-Ark system is not listed and tested per UL 9540

Re: [RE-wrenches] Outback Radian 8048 Main AC Breaker Trip with Generator

2021-07-20 Thread Maverick Brown
I would double check the new inverter’s wiring. Those extra neutral wiring points can be a trickster. From the Mate3 main status, press the Inverter Status soft key (3rd button from the left). The upper left status will indicate Selling, charging, etc. Press the Port button to cycle around

Re: [RE-wrenches] outback grid tie help

2021-07-20 Thread Maverick Brown
Jay Even if you that sell limit setting is low, I’d drop the grid and load up the inverter a bit, and force bulk just to be sure the CC and PV are functioning correctly. You could even amp clamp the PV strings to make sure each string is correct. Good luck! Maverick Maverick Brown Off-Grid

Re: [RE-wrenches] outback grid tie help

2021-07-20 Thread Jay
Hi Max, Ive thought about this, and have done forced bulk a few times with no change in output. One thing I haven’t done is to drain the batteries and see if the PV watts increase to fill them. Nobody has suggested the cc is somehow limiting due to a weird failure snd the settings are