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OK any good data from outdoor tests showing energy produced by thin film compared to crystalline in the same conditions would be most helpful. Can anyone confirm that NERL tested Unisolar for long term degradation and the results were not published. is this a myth? Carl E. HI Carl,

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Hi Todd. Thanks for this, but I think we need something more recent. I have the Solar Shootout data from back in '98 when they gagged the results. Carl E. is the attached file what you are looking for? if not... i think i can dig up that solar shootout article from way back.

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HI Carl, I can't seem to be able to get that data off the site. Maybe someone else can. It is a main reason I bought the subscription, just to support their great testing work. jay On Jun 2, 2013, at 8:30 PM, Carl Emerson wrote: Hi Jay, Thanks for that, yes, I have seen the setup

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Hi Carl Would like to see real data. Photon publishes their module data, and thin film are no where near the top of the list. Nexpower. #14 First solar. #131 Total of 151 modules in the test. Jay Peltz power Sent from my iPad On Jun 1, 2013, at 6:20 PM, Carl Emerson

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Me too, please. Bob-O On Jun 2, 2013, at 7:32 AM, jay peltz wrote: Hi Carl Would like to see real data. Photon publishes their module data, and thin film are no where near the top of the list. Nexpower. #14 First solar. #131 Total of 151 modules in the test. Jay Peltz power Sent from

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Jay, Are they doing a 'real world' test for each module over say 12 monts Carl Emerson Hi Carl Would like to see real data. Photon publishes their module data, and thin film are no where near the top of the list. Nexpower. #14 First solar. #131 Total of 151 modules

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Jay, The short answer is no. These are not real world tests of energy yield under 'normal' outdoor conditions. Photon are setting up field tests for 2013 in Germany and the middle East. Then they will have some useful data. Carl E. Hi Carl Would like to see real data.

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Hi Carl, Here is the link to how Photon measures each module. http://www.photon.info/photon_lab_modul_ertragsm_en.photon?ActiveID=1289 and http://www.photon.info/photon_lab_modul_ertragsmAD_en.photon?ActiveID=4382 Can you please tell me how they are doing it wrong, and what the test would

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First Solar was not performing to warranty within the first 2 years. They supplied more modules, but not the additional land, racking, labor, wiring, etc to make up for the low performance. I've watched thin film companies come and go for 2 decades. As I said before, I think they have they're

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Of interest. This link from Forbes explains that the decline in thin film is purely cost and not performance related. http://www.forbes.com/sites/uciliawang/2012/04/18/how-first-solar-struggles- amid-decline-of-thin-film-solar-market/ This is because the world price of silicon has

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Hi Jay, Thanks for that, yes, I have seen the setup you refer to and it is very comprehensive, but I thought that your reference to the 151 modules was a lab test at STC and not an outdoor test for energy yield. Can you send the link to the outdoor test results please. Many Thanks,

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Of Hilton Dier III Sent: 30 May 2013 1:09 a.m. To: re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Subject: [RE-wrenches] Defective modules Greetings wrenches, I'm sure many of you have seen this article in the New York Times: http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/29/business/energy-environment/solar-powers-d ark

[RE-wrenches] Defective modules

To: 'RE-wrenches' Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] Defective modules Hi there, Thin film is still getting bad press after early production suffered degradation issues way back in the 90’s. There is plenty of evidence that thin film produces at least 10% more energy because it performs better

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-wrenches.org [mailto:re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org] On Behalf Of Carl Emerson Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2013 2:50 PM To: 'RE-wrenches' Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] Defective modules Hi there, Hilton's third question is important. Are we seeing a rise in thin film failure or is this only

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*To:* 'RE-wrenches' *Subject:* Re: [RE-wrenches] Defective modules Hi there, Hilton's third question is important. Are we seeing a rise in thin film failure or is this only mono and poly? Regards Carl Emerson *From:*re

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-wrenches.org] On Behalf Of Carl Emerson Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2013 2:50 PM To: 'RE-wrenches' Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] Defective modules Hi there, Hilton's third question is important. Are we seeing a rise in thin film failure or is this only mono and poly? Regards Carl Emerson

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: Friday, May 31, 2013 12:56 PM To: RE-wrenches Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] Defective modules First Solar's thin film is definitely part of the industry's early onset under performance problem. With monocrystalline under $1/watt, I just don't understand why big projects are still going

Re: [RE-wrenches] Defective modules-Chinese crap?

To: re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2013 6:08 AM Subject: [RE-wrenches] Defective modules Greetings wrenches, I'm sure many of you have seen this article in the New York Times:http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/29/business/energy-environment/solar-powers-dark

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Hilton, This article just confirms what I have always suspected. Cost cutting could compromise quality and this also reinforces my business practice to buy American from solid companies. Obviously the choices are limited and the prices a few cents higher. This said, I have sold dozens of

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Sent: 30 May 2013 1:09 a.m. To: re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Subject: [RE-wrenches] Defective modules Greetings wrenches, I'm sure many of you have seen this article in the New York Times: http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/29/business/energy-environment/solar-powers-d ark-side.html?hp http

[RE-wrenches] Defective modules

Greetings wrenches, I'm sure many of you have seen this article in the New York Times: http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/29/business/energy-environment/solar-powers-dark-side.html?hp_r=1; I have already gotten an email from a panicked client asking about canceling his project. First question:

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-wrenches.org Subject: [RE-wrenches] Defective modules Greetings wrenches, I'm sure many of you have seen this article in the New York Times: http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/29/business/energy-environment/solar-powers-dark-side.html?hp_r=1; I have already gotten an email from a panicked client asking

[RE-wrenches] Defective modules-American crap?

Names need to be made public for the good of all concerned. marco From: re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org [mailto:re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org] On Behalf Of Allan Sindelar Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2013 5:56 AM To: RE-wrenches Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] Defective modules

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Of Allan Sindelar Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2013 5:56 AM To: RE-wrenches Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] Defective modules-Chinese crap? On more than one occasion in the last year or so I

[RE-wrenches] Defective modules

Greetings Wrenches, I looked at the article a bit more closely and a crack emerged. The article mentions two Spanish projects that were tested and the modules had a 34% defect rate. I looked at the study (linked in the article) and what they were talking about was thermographic defects - hot