[REBOL] Re: oss revisited (briefly!)

2004-02-13 Thread Maarten Koopmans
>>>implementation, without a publicly available specification. That >>>means that any effort to create another implementation is based on >>>inferences, guesswork, etc. etc. etc. and can't be guaranteed to >>>match precisely the behavior of the implementation from RT. >>> >>> >>> >>Yes, y

[REBOL] sending data via usb

2004-02-13 Thread Graham Chiu
Has anyone done any work at sending/receiving data from a virtual serial port ( USB ). Is it the same as driving a real serial port? I need to drive a USB modem which I haven't purchased yet. -- Graham Chiu http://www.compkarori.com/cerebrus -- To unsubscribe from this list, just send an emai

[REBOL] OT Software Articles

2004-02-13 Thread Rod Gaither
Hi All, Some interesting articles I tripped over today from a ./ entry. http://www.edge.org/3rd_culture/lanier03/lanier_index.html http://java.sun.com/features/2003/01/lanier_qa1.html http://java.sun.com/developer/technicalArticles/Interviews/ livschitz_qa.html http://java.sun.com/features/200

[REBOL] Re: oss revisited (briefly!)

2004-02-13 Thread Joel Neely
Hi, David, David Feugey wrote: >>>... no OSS version of the language means no fragmentation >>>of the source code. >> >>That simply doesn't follow. Perl, Python, Ruby, etc. etc. etc. >>have been open source from the beginning, and don't suffer from the >>oft-threatened specter of fragmentation.

[REBOL] Re: oss revisited (briefly!)

2004-02-13 Thread Maxim Olivier-Adlhoch
I find rebol's community fascinating. We all like rebol because its different and allows the control of changing everything to our taste in a very easy manner. Its just TOO easy and addictive! so stop talking about unity... argghh ... grin .. huh and compatibility ... we hates

[REBOL] Re: oss revisited (briefly!)

2004-02-13 Thread Tim Johnson
* Joel Neely <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [040213 07:34]: <..> > That simply doesn't follow. Perl, Python, Ruby, etc. etc. etc. > have been open source from the beginning, and don't suffer from the > oft-threatened specter of fragmentation. It simply hasn't happened. But a cautionary tale *would* be

[REBOL] Re: oss revisited (briefly!)

2004-02-13 Thread David Feugey
Rod Gaither a écrit : > I don't use Java as a > developer myself but I am now using Java based > products every day. I would like to do that with Rebol applications :) > Of course part of this is due to decent Java support > on Mac OS X and the lack of some products on that > platform. Yes, a v

[REBOL] Re: oss revisited (briefly!)

2004-02-13 Thread Rod Gaither
On Feb 13, 2004, at 11:16 AM, Petr Krenzelok wrote: > Yes, but I also wonder WHO of us uses Java productively? Because, last > time I talked to Cyphre - who did some game in Java for his company, > complained about how BAD acutally compatibility is, and wonders if SUN > cares about QA assurance,

[REBOL] Re: oss revisited (briefly!)

2004-02-13 Thread David Feugey
Petr Krenzelok a écrit : > Joel Neely napsal(a): > Yes, but I also wonder WHO of us uses Java productively? Because, last > time I talked to Cyphre - who did some game in Java for his company, > complained about how BAD acutally compatibility is, and wonders if SUN > cares about QA assurance,

[REBOL] Re: oss revisited (briefly!)

2004-02-13 Thread David Feugey
Joel Neely a écrit : > Hi, David, > > The punch-line (from my perspective) is at the end. > > David Feugey wrote: > >>There are also big issues with portability. >> >>... no OSS version of the language means no fragmentation >>of the source code. > > > > > That simply doesn't follow. Perl,

[REBOL] Re: oss revisited (briefly!)

2004-02-13 Thread Tom Conlin
On Fri, 13 Feb 2004 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > Sunanda: > > If anything is going to nudge him further down a collaborative > > approach, perhaps leading to a more open source model, that > > experience may form an important part of it. > > Chris: > > I think the 1.3 project shows that Carl and

[REBOL] Re: oss revisited (briefly!)

2004-02-13 Thread Andreas Bolka
Friday, February 13, 2004, 5:16:27 PM, Petr wrote: > Joel Neely napsal(a): >> Having a definitive specification makes it possible to learn more >> efficiently then trial-and-error or ask-somebody-when-stumped, and >> also makes it possible to distinguish implementation defects (bugs) >> from ca

[REBOL] Re: [OT] sunrise sunset data via rebol ?

2004-02-13 Thread Jason Cunliffe
> you could either post and screen scrape a page such as the one > in your example or write your own sunrise function in rebol. > I would not mind writing it but cannot take the time, well ... > for at least a month. Thanks Tom.. Great links. I'll probably just translate the javascript one into F

[REBOL] Re: oss revisited (briefly!)

2004-02-13 Thread Petr Krenzelok
Joel Neely napsal(a): >Having a definitive specification makes it possible to learn more >efficiently then trial-and-error or ask-somebody-when-stumped, and >also makes it possible to distinguish implementation defects (bugs) >from cases of I-didn't-understand-that-feature. > > > Yes, but I als

[REBOL] Re: oss revisited (briefly!)

2004-02-13 Thread Joel Neely
Hi, David, The punch-line (from my perspective) is at the end. David Feugey wrote: > > There are also big issues with portability. > > ... no OSS version of the language means no fragmentation > of the source code. > That simply doesn't follow. Perl, Python, Ruby, etc. etc. etc. have been

[REBOL] Re: oss revisited (briefly!)

2004-02-13 Thread SunandaDH
Sunanda: > If anything is going to nudge him further down a collaborative > approach, perhaps leading to a more open source model, that > experience may form an important part of it. Chris: > I think the 1.3 project shows that Carl and RT as-is can > use those additional resources very well ...

[REBOL] Re: oss revisited (briefly!)

2004-02-13 Thread Joel Neely
Hi, Karl, Karl Robillard wrote: > I'm not a Java expert, but I assume that there is a formal specification for > Java and that there are many implementations (Sun, IBM, Blackdown?). That > may explain why people would be comfortable adopting Java but not REBOL. > The authoritative page is http

[REBOL] Re: oss revisited (briefly!)

2004-02-13 Thread "Robert M. Münch"
On Thu, 12 Feb 2004 11:41:49 +0100, Maarten Koopmans <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > +1 from me. The SDK is an attractive offer, as it allows you to spread > small single-click executables. Yes, that's why I bought it. This product needs to be pushed much more and IMO it's much underestimated. >

[REBOL] Re: [VID][edge] How do I remove 'bevel from edge?

2004-02-13 Thread Gabriele Santilli
Hi Ashley, On Friday, February 13, 2004, 7:17:06 AM, you wrote: AT> even though "edge/effect" is set to 'none. So the question is, how can I AT> set edge/effect to 'none? Look at the REDRAW feel: redraw: func [face act pos /local state][ if all [face/texts face/texts/2] [

[REBOL] Re: oss revisited (briefly!)

2004-02-13 Thread David Feugey
Karl Robillard a écrit : >I'm not a Java expert, but I assume that there is a formal specification for >Java and that there are many implementations (Sun, IBM, Blackdown?). That >may explain why people would be comfortable adopting Java but not REBOL. > > Bof... There are also big issues with