The notion that genocide is not 'actionable' here seems completely nutty.
However, in hearing a couple of radio reports it seemed to me (a law
illiterate) that maybe there was some value in the decision in that it
insists that the international treaty has to be backed up with local
legislation. I
I think you're right, Trudy, and I agree with Robert Manne - as per the
other article you posted - that we've been tricked. Howard is the most
cunning and deceitful politician I know of and ANYTHING that has his
approval is by definition tainted and probably the opposite of what is
needed. The u
Thought people might like to read this one from Mike Seccombe
in the SMH. Some telling points here.
Tim
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Friday, August 27, 1999
Grudging Howard's regretful speech
MIKE SECCOMBE from th
This is the text of the rest of what Howard said yesterday when introducing
the motion into parliament - I got it from the Australian website. Still
can't help but feel the whole thing was rushed and somewhat of a political
compromise - I agree with Trudy that it's pretty hard to give Howar
Just saw Howard deliver this motion and speech to the
Parliament. I'm very confused about the whole thing. He seemed
reasonably sincere and given what at is at stake - and given the apparent
enthusiasm with which people like Lowitja O'Donahue are embracing his 'change of
heart' - I feel in
Here's the latest attempt by John and Meg Howard - seems better, but haven't
had time to think about it yet. Using 'kinship' instead of custodianship or
stewardship seems to be the main change. Kinship?
Tim
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Wednesday, August 11, 1999 2:35 AM
Su
Lance,
I think Ian got it right when he said that you keep shifting
the goal-posts of the conversation thus making it almost impossible to get
anywhere. I'd put it a bit more strongly and say that you're simply not
making sense. For example, you complain that to want to change the name of
For someone who claims not to be offended by language, Lance,
you sure seem to have a lot of chips on your shoulders, a comment I'm sure you
won't be offended by - I certainly don't mean it to be offensive, just an
observation.
As to what is more important, worrying about the language we
u
Thanks to Rod for alerting us to the pedigree of Brunton and the IPA.
Further to this, it is worth mentioning that the IPA and the Liberal party
are peas in a pod. In fact, it is fair to say that the Liberal party is
the political wing of the IPA.
Contrary to the usual myth that says
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Date: Monday, July 05, 1999 11:31 AM
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>Don Clark
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Hi Suzie,
No, no offence taken, definitely not. I might have misinterpreted
what Lees said but I didn't take the quotes out of context - apart from
anything, I provided the entire article so people could read them in the context
in which I read them. As well, the overall context is that t
Meg Lees makes some Interesting comments in the article below
(reproduced from the newsclips):
Senator Lees said "it is through tax that we get messages
across about how we would like people to behave".Don't think Howard could have put it better himself! Seems they
both like to tell us "ho
Couldn't agree more about the misuse of ABC time with little
Johnny's - as we know - completely unbiased review of the new tax. But I
wonder if Beazley would take up the offer to reply anyway? Given that the
Libs are apparently having some success in painting Labor as negative and
endlessl
Graham,
Couldn't find a personal address, but you might try ANTaR, of
which he is a member:
ANTaR National:
19a Quirk StreetRozelle NSW 2039Tel: 02 9555 6138 Fax: 02 9555 6138
Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.antar.org.au
Also, here is the article.
Tim
IAN VINERAborigines the losers i
the
wind. Perhaps someone could find his email address and send him some
congratulatory mails.
Graham Y
tim dunlop wrote:
Wonder if Ian Viner receiving a
Queen's birthday gong had anything to do with his current article
highlighting the (unforgivable) shortc
Wonder if Ian Viner receiving a Queen's birthday gong had
anything to do with his current article highlighting the (unforgivable)
shortcomings of the Reeves report? Might have put a bit steel in his
resolve to speak out? If so, we should nominate many more ex-coalition MPs
for such awards
Has anyone ever seen more biased and loaded wording for a poll? These
people are unbelievable!
Tim
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Date: Friday, June 04, 1999 6:11 AM
Subject: Re: [recoznet2] ninemsn vote on reconc
Hi everyone,
I have a few quick comments about the reconciliation document
and will be interested to hear what others think.
Like the preamble it has avoidable awkwardness (especially in the opening
para) and some nice big fudges. The main one has to do with an
apology. It says: "And so
Here is the draft reconciliation document in case people
haven't had a chance to see it.
Tim
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"Speaking with one voice, we the people of
Australia, of many origins as we are, make a commitment to go on together,
recognising the gift of one another's pres
Ian wrote:
>This programme was Lateline and included Senator Murray in a one on
one>interview in which he pushed the 'middle line', somewhere between the
Libs.>and Labor, and where he suggested the democrats had posited
themselves. This>is pure crap as their members span from the idealists to
It was hard to decide how to vote for Howard in this poll - the scale only
went down to "terrible" - a good couple of notches short of "criminal".
Results when I looked were:
27 % Excellent
8 % Good
5 % Average
10 % Poor
51 % Terrible
Incidentally, Trudy, it seems Harradine finally let his consc
Thanks to Graham for this response. Seems to me that
this issue (as raised by Noel Pearson) should be occupying the list, more
so than arguments about who said what to whom in a chance meeting and what they
might have meant. Which is not to say the discussion re Karyn's
bio is not importan
I noticed this line in Andrew Reimer's review of The
Country of Lost Children: An Australian Anxiety by Peter Pierce (sent round
by Trudy on the newsclips):
"The other misgiving is connected with the question of
reconciliation: principally with Aborigines, but in a way with ourselves,
non-
Trudy Bray wrote:
Just once, when Harradine 'wrestles with his conscience',
would I like to see his conscience win!
Funniest, most accurate comment I've read in a long time,
Trudy. Should be added to a dictionary of quotations!
Tim
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