l 30, 2002 11:54 AM
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Subject: Re: Pricing discrepancy (Re: next release)
[EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
> There's no excuse about translating the manual as here in UK the
> manuals are all in English !
English? Or American?
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John Summerfield wrote:
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
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>
>>Was it Hurricane?
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>
>That was 5.0. Some would say it was aptly named.
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rwxr-xr-x9 004096 Jun 11 2001 7.0
drwxr-xr-x 10 004096 Aug 03 2001 7.1
drwxr-xr-x4 1983719837
> On Tue Apr 30 2002 at 17:33, Michel Alexandre Salim wrote:
>
> > > let's take the last buggy (7.0) IMHO
> > > and the 7.2 has a lot of updates, not necesarly
> > > remote root bugs
> > 7.0 was rather horrifying. Having to patch glibc soon
> > after release was not very convincing, IMHO. I could
[EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
> Was it Hurricane?
That was 5.0. Some would say it was aptly named.
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> >
> > Standard English is indistinguishable from what you might term Standard
> > Australian. Even my spoken English is often taken (by the English) as Engli
> sh
> > with an English accent, and I've never been outside Australia.
> >
> Right, this is all OT.
Hmm. OT is often more fun.
>
> IMH
[EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
> etting changes :)
> Oh, and don't most Australians live on the East Coast? Regards,
About 10% live in WA. I grew up in country WA - get your atlas out, in the
Margaret River area. I lived in many years in Canberra then a few more in
Melbourne.
My wife grew up in Bri
On 2002-05-01, Michèl Alexandre Salim wrote:
:Also known as the last single-binary-CD release :p.
:Was it Hurricane?
6.2 was "Zoot". 5.0 was "Hurricane".
Michael
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--- Paul Dorneanu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I am wondering what Redhat is doing with the alpha
> release. The last
> release for an alpha is the 7.1. Would be great to
> see a release in the
> coming future for the alpha platform, after the
> release of 7.3. I am
I once was looking forward
I do believe that the international price for rh boxes should be plain,
cause, after all, we pay for the support, not for the product itself,
isn't that?
If I'm not right, next month I'll come in US and start living a better
life there... or ...
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Mario Torre wrote:
>On Tuesday 30 Ap
Well, 7.2 is good, but not so great. A lot of updates.
I am hopping that redhat 7.3, which, I hope, will be out next week, will
be rock steady.
I am wondering what Redhat is doing with the alpha release. The last
release for an alpha is the 7.1. Would be great to see a release in the
coming fut
On Tuesday 30 April 2002 22:11, Thomas Dodd wrote:
> Fuel pricers are higher with higher taxes in europe. But you can
> live without a car there. You have state sponsored public transportation
> and don't need to travel as far.
Hey boy, you don't live in southern Italy...
The overall Italian pol
--- Tony Nugent <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> But my real reason for joining into this
> conversation is to give
> some recognition to redhat 6.2 -- arguably their
> best release so
> far, especially as a reliable server platform.
>
Ah yes :) That was the one with GNOME 1.2 and the
first Red Hat
--- Riku Meskanen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> There is not really one UK English. You should once
> visit UK
> to find this out and be amazed how hard it's first
> to understand
> people from such a small geographical area. Picking
> up the ozzie
> or other dialects from noth america are lot eas
On Tue Apr 30 2002 at 17:33, Michel Alexandre Salim wrote:
> > let's take the last buggy (7.0) IMHO
> > and the 7.2 has a lot of updates, not necesarly
> > remote root bugs
> 7.0 was rather horrifying. Having to patch glibc soon
> after release was not very convincing, IMHO. I could
> not really
--- Bill Crawford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> OK, it wasn't that funny, but I found a copy:
>
> http://www.bazza.com/sj/humour/Windiz98.html
>
> or
>
> http://www.billemon.org.uk/Fun/Windiz98.html
Funny enough for you to archive it at least :) It's
not PC, and I'd probably not show
On Wed, 1 May 2002, Bill Crawford wrote:
> I saw a very funny spoof once relating to a localization of Windows,
> I think for the "Geordie" locale. For example the main menu would
> have "Windiz" down the side ...
OK, it wasn't that funny, but I found a copy:
http://www.bazza.com/sj/humo
On Wed, 1 May 2002, Riku Meskanen wrote:
> How many of the more than 50 spoken major english dialects you
> think would be worth localization? All or just few?
>
> There is not really one UK English. You should once visit UK
> to find this out and be amazed how hard it's first to understand
> pe
On Wed, 1 May 2002, John Summerfield wrote:
> > On Tue, 30 Apr 2002, John Summerfield wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
> > > > There's no excuse about translating the manual as here in UK the
> > > > manuals are all in English !
> > >
> > > English? Or American?
> > >
> > What do you
On 30 Apr 2002 22:51:13 +0100
Michel Alexandre Salim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Oh, and don't most Australians live on the East Coast?
Most of us do, I live in Byron Bay on the East Coast but
spent several years working in gold/nickal mines in WA.
I spent much time in the desert and some t
On Tue, 2002-04-30 at 21:00, John Summerfield wrote:
> Standard English is indistinguishable from what you might term Standard
> Australian. Even my spoken English is often taken (by the English) as English
> with an English accent, and I've never been outside Australia.
>
Impressive :) Not bei
On 2002-04-30, Riku Meskanen wrote:
:How much is the VAT at germany ?
16%, but with regard to the overall tax burden in Germany, I don't
see any room for further increase.
Btw, the prices at http://www.europe.redhat.com/shop/de/ are
_including VAT_.
Michael
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On Tue, 2002-04-30 at 19:18, Riku Meskanen wrote:
> How much is the VAT at germany ?
>
> :-) riku
About 17% I believe :)
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> On Tue, 30 Apr 2002, John Summerfield wrote:
>
> >
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
> > > There's no excuse about translating the manual as here in UK the
> > > manuals are all in English !
> >
> > English? Or American?
> >
> What do you expect, Red Hat manuals on scouse or geordie dialect?
>
> I d
> --- Paul Dorneanu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > you mean that there were no buggy releases of
> > redhat?
> Of course there is no such thing :) I recall that
> anecdote:
>
> "It is a truism that in any piece of software the
> following two observations are true:
>
> 1. You can always shorten
Vladimir G. Ivanovic wrote:
>"KB" == Kathy Bieltz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> KB> Americans may earn more but our government
> KB> is no slouch at taking their cut. We may not
> KB> get taxed they same way but we still pay through
> KB> the nose too.
>
>Actually, this is a persistent b
"KB" == Kathy Bieltz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
KB> Americans may earn more but our government
KB> is no slouch at taking their cut. We may not
KB> get taxed they same way but we still pay through
KB> the nose too.
Actually, this is a persistent but false myth. The total American tax
b
Come on guys enough of this is enough
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On Tue, 30 Apr 2002, Michael Schwendt wrote:
> On 2002-04-30, Michèl Alexandre Salim wrote:
>
> : --- John Summerfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> :> The $229 at
> :> http://www.everythinglinux.com.au/cat/distributions/redhat?elinux=fbb
> :> 5971bd8446edb6fc692b26145b24e is definitely beyond
> :
Americans may earn more but our government
is no slouch at taking their cut. We may not
get taxed they same way but we still pay through
the nose too.
Kathy Bieltz
Michael Schwendt wrote:
> On 2002-04-30, Michèl Alexandre Salim wrote:
>
> : --- John Summerfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> :>
On 2002-04-30, Michèl Alexandre Salim wrote:
: --- John Summerfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
:> The $229 at
:> http://www.everythinglinux.com.au/cat/distributions/redhat?elinux=fbb
:> 5971bd8446edb6fc692b26145b24e is definitely beyond
:> MY budget.
:>
:That's *really* cheap. In Europe it's mor
On Tue, 30 Apr 2002, John Summerfield wrote:
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
> > There's no excuse about translating the manual as here in UK the
> > manuals are all in English !
>
> English? Or American?
>
What do you expect, Red Hat manuals on scouse or geordie dialect?
I doubt they have nor the o
--- Paul Dorneanu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> you mean that there were no buggy releases of
> redhat?
Of course there is no such thing :) I recall that
anecdote:
"It is a truism that in any piece of software the
following two observations are true:
1. You can always shorten the code by one lin
--- Trevor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Who knows... maybe it's because RH is trying to
> reach greater market
> penetration in the US then in Europe.
One would think they'll try to win over the European
market from SuSE. Right now SuSE wins on price and
especially on price/CD (8 CDs + DVD fo
--- John Summerfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
> > There's no excuse about translating the manual as
> here in UK the
> > manuals are all in English !
>
> English? Or American?
Good point :p. Cost breakdown would be:
...
$40 - piping draft text through aspell
...
[EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
> There's no excuse about translating the manual as here in UK the
> manuals are all in English !
English? Or American?
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--- John Summerfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> The $229 at
>
http://www.everythinglinux.com.au/cat/distributions/redhat?elinux=fbb
> 5971bd8446edb6fc692b26145b24e is definitely beyond
> MY budget.
>
That's *really* cheap. In Europe it's more like 230
Euro, which is probably at least 70% highe
[EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
> 1. They will definitely have GPL-related issues in this case. 2. As
> far as I know, RedHat uses the community as the main development
> force.
It does employ a few, though how many I don't know.
There's also a lot of people who've put in quite a deal of unpaid effort
> Is there any significantly more expensive factor behind the way Red Hat
> prices its products overseas? I paid about 60 pounds - 90 US dollars -
> for Red Hat professional 7.2. No, it's not the version that comes with a
> DVD, so I really fail to see why I should buy every release when people
>
> I have paid for every version since I started using RedHat 4.0 and
> from my experience
> it is better to wait for a good stable package than to rush an
> unpolished buggy release
> like Mircosoft does, and usualy they are even released late and
> features droped at the
> last moment.
>
> Guy
> Michel Alexandre Salim wrote:
> > On Tue, 2002-04-30 at 05:07, Guy Fraser wrote:
> >
> >>Besides how many of you, whiners even buy the boxed sets to support
> >>development?
> >>
> >
> > I do buy boxed sets - one in every series, normally, being a poor
> > student. Also, the pricing in UK is
I am wondering who in romania is buying redhat. I would, if my buget
will let me.
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Michael Schwendt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> On 2002-04-30, John Summerfield wrote:
>
> :[EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
> :> People also buy Red Hat Network entitlements that give them access to
> :> updated rpms and isos.
> :
> :I get updated packages without having to pay for them. Specifically I
> John Summerfield wrote:
>
> >>--- Jure Pecar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>
> >>>Hi,
> >>>
> >>>is there any ETA of the next release of RedHat? I
> >>>know that 'when it's
> >>>ready' is the best answer...
> >>>
> >>If you knew that was the best answer you were going to
> >>get, then why ask?
--- Chris Tooley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Michel Alexandre Salim wrote:
> > Is there any significantly more expensive factor
> behind the way Red Hat
> > prices its products overseas? I paid about 60
> pounds - 90 US dollars -
> > for Red Hat professional 7.2. No, it's not the
> version that
Michel Alexandre Salim wrote:
> On Tue, 2002-04-30 at 05:07, Guy Fraser wrote:
>
>>Besides how many of you, whiners even buy the boxed sets to support
>>development?
>>
>
> I do buy boxed sets - one in every series, normally, being a poor
> student. Also, the pricing in UK is rather higher than
Michel Alexandre Salim wrote:
> On Tue, 2002-04-30 at 05:07, Guy Fraser wrote:
>
>>Besides how many of you, whiners even buy the boxed sets to support
>>development?
>>
>
> I do buy boxed sets - one in every series, normally, being a poor
> student. Also, the pricing in UK is rather higher than
On Tue, 2002-04-30 at 05:07, Guy Fraser wrote:
> Besides how many of you, whiners even buy the boxed sets to support
> development?
>
I do buy boxed sets - one in every series, normally, being a poor
student. Also, the pricing in UK is rather higher than that for the
comparable US product.
Is t
On 2002-04-30, John Summerfield wrote:
:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
:> People also buy Red Hat Network entitlements that give them access to
:> updated rpms and isos.
:
:I get updated packages without having to pay for them. Specifically I had the
:recent sudo update (from amirror) before I saw the
Dear Hetz Ben Hamo,
Once you wrote about "Re: next release":
HBH> > Presumably he's one who hopes that Red Hat will eventually understand that
HBH> > its customers really do need to plan these things.
HBH>
HBH> And I would hope that maybe Red Hat will finall
John Summerfield wrote:
>>--- Jure Pecar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>>>Hi,
>>>
>>>is there any ETA of the next release of RedHat? I
>>>know that 'when it's
>>>ready' is the best answer...
>>>
>>If you knew that was the best answer you were going to
>>get, then why ask?
>>
>>
>
>Presumably he's
>
> > Presumably he's one who hopes that Red Hat will eventually understand that
> > its customers really do need to plan these things.
>
> And I would hope that maybe Red Hat will finally think about their business
> plan...
>
> Some how - with a ratio of 1000:10 (10 purchases for almost ever
> GPL allows RH to charge a fee for supplying the product. It
> doesn't HAVE to give
> it away, though I could buy a set and run them off (like
> Cheapbytes) or mount
> them on my ftp server for all to download.
It could charge a small fee for media costs [$2-$3/CD], but according to the
GNU GPL
> Check your facts. Microsoft doesn't sell support and most of the
> time they
> don't give support. They leave this one for your ISV, your computer
> manufacturer, to your IT team, or to a consulting company.
Yes they do... for larger companies anyway. For small businesses, Microsoft
doesn't wa
> > Considering the alternative (M$) who charges for the product and then
> > charges more for supporting, many corporation's CFO's are starting to see
> > the value in RH.
>
> Check your facts. Microsoft doesn't sell support and most of the time they
> don't give support. They leave this one f
[EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
> People also buy Red Hat Network entitlements that give them access to
> updated rpms and isos.
I get updated packages without having to pay for them. Specifically I had the
recent sudo update (from amirror) before I saw the announcement.
How much sooner would I have
>
> > Support contracts are not that profitable (I know, I was in the
> business)..
>
> Ahem... Maybe you weren't a very good salesman. I think that RedHat is
> doing very well considering that they are giving away GPL product.
>
> Considering the alternative (M$) who charges for the product a
On Tuesday 30 April 2002 00:19, Trevor wrote:
> > Support contracts are not that profitable (I know, I was in the
>
> business)..
>
> Ahem... Maybe you weren't a very good salesman. I think that RedHat is
> doing very well considering that they are giving away GPL product.
I wasn't a salesman (I
People also buy Red Hat Network entitlements that give them access to
updated rpms and isos.
--- Vladimir
Vladimir G. Ivanovichttp://leonora.org/~vladimir
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> Support contracts are not that profitable (I know, I was in the
business)..
Ahem... Maybe you weren't a very good salesman. I think that RedHat is
doing very well considering that they are giving away GPL product.
Considering the alternative (M$) who charges for the product and then
charges
> Presumably he's one who hopes that Red Hat will eventually understand that
> its customers really do need to plan these things.
And I would hope that maybe Red Hat will finally think about their business
plan...
Some how - with a ratio of 1000:10 (10 purchases for almost every 1000
downloads
>
> --- Jure Pecar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > is there any ETA of the next release of RedHat? I
> > know that 'when it's
> > ready' is the best answer...
>
> If you knew that was the best answer you were going to
> get, then why ask?
>
>
Presumably he's one who hopes that Red
--- Jure Pecar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> is there any ETA of the next release of RedHat? I
> know that 'when it's
> ready' is the best answer...
If you knew that was the best answer you were going to
get, then why ask?
=
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Jure Pecar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> is there any ETA of the next release of RedHat? I know that 'when it's
> ready' is the best answer, but i'd want to have a bit more precise
> estimate to plan my activties upon ...
We don't preannounce releases.
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