Re: Plea to Linux Users

2003-09-23 Thread Kent Borg
On Mon, Sep 22, 2003 at 08:24:00PM -0400, Jason Dixon wrote: It is for this reason that I'd like to suggest the following. Take 10 minutes to download, compile and run chkrootkit on your Linux systems. So there is a download chkrootkit vs. download Knoppix STD war going on. And both have

Re: Plea to Linux Users

2003-09-23 Thread Jason Dixon
On Tue, 2003-09-23 at 08:57, Kent Borg wrote: On Mon, Sep 22, 2003 at 08:24:00PM -0400, Jason Dixon wrote: It is for this reason that I'd like to suggest the following. Take 10 minutes to download, compile and run chkrootkit on your Linux systems. So there is a download chkrootkit vs.

Re: Plea to Linux Users

2003-09-23 Thread Parker Morse
On Tuesday, Sep 23, 2003, at 08:57 US/Eastern, Kent Borg wrote: P.S. Did anyone point out that chkrootkit needs to be kept up to date? It does. Back in May, on the cobalt-security list, Michael Stauber of solarspeed.net described a rootkit he'd found that completely evaded chkrootkit 0.40...

Re: Plea to Linux Users

2003-09-22 Thread Benjamin J. Weiss
On 22 Sep 2003, Jason Dixon wrote: Everyone knows the Internet is a dangerous place. Folks who've been on this list for a whileave probably heard me harp about security by now. If you have, then you know I'm a nut when it comes to protecting your system - AND - protecting others FROM your

Re: Plea to Linux Users

2003-09-22 Thread Jason Dixon
On Mon, 2003-09-22 at 20:28, Benjamin J. Weiss wrote: I'd say don't download and compile chrootkit. Instead, download the knoppix security tools distribution (http://www.knoppix-std.org/), burn it to a CD, then boot from it and *then* run chrootkit, which is on the CD. This way you will

Re: Plea to Linux Users

2003-09-22 Thread Stephen Kuhn
On Tue, 2003-09-23 at 10:24, Jason Dixon wrote: Everyone knows the Internet is a dangerous place. Folks who've been on this list for a whileave probably heard me harp about security by now. If you have, then you know I'm a nut when it comes to protecting your system - AND - protecting others

Re: Plea to Linux Users

2003-09-22 Thread Benjamin J. Weiss
On 22 Sep 2003, Jason Dixon wrote: On Mon, 2003-09-22 at 20:28, Benjamin J. Weiss wrote: I'd say don't download and compile chrootkit. Instead, download the knoppix security tools distribution (http://www.knoppix-std.org/), burn it to a CD, then boot from it and *then* run chrootkit,

Re: Plea to Linux Users

2003-09-22 Thread Jason Dixon
On Mon, 2003-09-22 at 20:42, Benjamin J. Weiss wrote: On 22 Sep 2003, Jason Dixon wrote: On Mon, 2003-09-22 at 20:28, Benjamin J. Weiss wrote: I'd say don't download and compile chrootkit. Instead, download the knoppix security tools distribution (http://www.knoppix-std.org/), burn

Re: Plea to Linux Users

2003-09-22 Thread Ian Mortimer
However, many of us work and exist in environments where carrying around a CD doesn't scale. Not to mention the need to reboot every box to run off the CD and then reboot again when done. Several days work there. My suggestion can be quickly and easily performed on remote systems. The

Re: Plea to Linux Users

2003-09-22 Thread Jason Dixon
On Mon, 2003-09-22 at 21:10, Ian Mortimer wrote: However, many of us work and exist in environments where carrying around a CD doesn't scale. Not to mention the need to reboot every box to run off the CD and then reboot again when done. Several days work there. Yup. Not to mention

Re: Plea to Linux Users

2003-09-22 Thread Steve Phillips
At 08:57 p.m. 22/09/2003 -0400, Jason Dixon wrote: On Mon, 2003-09-22 at 20:42, Benjamin J. Weiss wrote: [snippy snip] Um...Jason...the CERT training that I went to stated (though I have not verified it externally) that it is still possible to fool chkrootkit if you are running it in a

Re: Plea to Linux Users

2003-09-22 Thread Steve Phillips
At 09:17 p.m. 22/09/2003 -0400, you wrote: On Mon, 2003-09-22 at 21:10, Ian Mortimer wrote: However, many of us work and exist in environments where carrying around a CD doesn't scale. Not to mention the need to reboot every box to run off the CD and then reboot again when done. Several

Re: Plea to Linux Users

2003-09-22 Thread Benjamin J. Weiss
-- Jason Dixon, RHCE *sigh* I guess RHCE doesn't delve into the security aspects then eh ? Look, I never intended to start a flame war or anything. There are times and places where each approach has it's merits. In my case, where I am a member of a military CERT, we have to be absolutely

Re: Plea to Linux Users

2003-09-22 Thread Jason Dixon
On Mon, 2003-09-22 at 21:30, Steve Phillips wrote: At 08:57 p.m. 22/09/2003 -0400, Jason Dixon wrote: On Mon, 2003-09-22 at 20:42, Benjamin J. Weiss wrote: [snippy snip] Um...Jason...the CERT training that I went to stated (though I have not verified it externally) that it is still

Re: Plea to Linux Users

2003-09-22 Thread Steve Phillips
At 08:41 p.m. 22/09/2003 -0500, you wrote: -- Jason Dixon, RHCE *sigh* I guess RHCE doesn't delve into the security aspects then eh ? Look, I never intended to start a flame war or anything. Actually, apologies - you are right there as well and I should probably have worded my response in a

Re: Plea to Linux Users

2003-09-22 Thread Jason Dixon
On Mon, 2003-09-22 at 21:36, Steve Phillips wrote: At 09:17 p.m. 22/09/2003 -0400, you wrote: Yup. Not to mention that rebooting is a red flag to hackers. The idea here is to run diagnostics while trying to stay off their radar, else you risk losing the evidence (and possibly your

Re: Plea to Linux Users

2003-09-22 Thread Michael Schwendt
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 22 Sep 2003 20:24:00 -0400, Jason Dixon wrote: Everyone knows the Internet is a dangerous place. Folks who've been on this list for a whileave probably heard me harp about security by now. If you have, then you know I'm a nut when it comes to