Re: Our introduction to Reiser-list

2005-10-26 Thread Peter van Hardenberg
On October 26, 2005 10:02 am, John Gilmore wrote: > Actually, when I had first read about file-as-directory, I had assumed that > the content was either dynamically generated from the on-disk metadata > (like uid, gid, etc) or stored as a "sideband" type stream in the file > itself, like some of th

Re: Our introduction to Reiser-list

2005-10-26 Thread Hubert Chan
On Wed, 26 Oct 2005 17:02:06 +, John Gilmore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > On Wednesday 26 October 2005 22:40, Nate Diller wrote: >> File-as-Directory >> The issue with file-as-directory (FaD) is that it removes the Acyclic >> property of the namespace graph. More precisely, it removes an easy

Re: Our introduction to Reiser-list

2005-10-26 Thread John Gilmore
On Wednesday 26 October 2005 22:40, Nate Diller wrote: > File-as-Directory > The issue with file-as-directory (FaD) is that it removes the Acyclic > property of the namespace graph. This is because anything which contains > file data can be hard-linked, even if that item is also a directory. It

Re: Our introduction to Reiser-list

2005-10-26 Thread Nate Diller
On 10/26/05, Chester R. Hosey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Peter van Hardenberg wrote: > > Although I freely acknowledge my inexperience, I believe the real problems > are > > related to graph traversal algorithms. Linus has commented on the obvious > > > hardlink issues. I imagine there are more

Re: Our introduction to Reiser-list

2005-10-26 Thread Hans Reiser
Nate Diller wrote: >On 10/26/05, Peter van Hardenberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >>On October 26, 2005 05:44 am, you wrote: >> >> > > > >>Also: I still have not been able to USE files as directories. Yes, I can >>reach >>file//, but that is only one special case. I can crash th

Re: Our introduction to Reiser-list

2005-10-26 Thread Nate Diller
On 10/26/05, Peter van Hardenberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On October 26, 2005 05:44 am, you wrote: > Also: I still have not been able to USE files as directories. Yes, I can > reach > file//, but that is only one special case. I can crash things like it > was > going out of style by p

Re: Our introduction to Reiser-list

2005-10-26 Thread Lares Moreau
I am too an amateur FS geek. A link you might like to look at. http://www.geocities.com/ravikiran_uvs/ It contains a Simple file system. That has helped me, and may be of interest to you. On Tue, 2005-10-25 at 15:58 -0700, Peter van Hardenberg wrote: > Hello all, > > I'm a student at the Univers

Re: Our introduction to Reiser-list

2005-10-26 Thread David Masover
Chester R. Hosey wrote: Peter van Hardenberg wrote: Although I freely acknowledge my inexperience, I believe the real problems are related to graph traversal algorithms. Linus has commented on the obvious hardlink issues. I imagine there are more gremlins lurking in the shadows on this one. G

Re: Fwd: My Dad suggests a redundant copies plugin

2005-10-26 Thread Hans Reiser
Please remember that the idea of the plugin is that it is selectively used on a few files.

Re: Our introduction to Reiser-list

2005-10-26 Thread Hans Reiser
Nate, please comment on your notion of having list all functionality, and how allowing cycles could be ok under such a scenario. Hans Chester R. Hosey wrote: >Peter van Hardenberg wrote: > > >>Although I freely acknowledge my inexperience, I believe the real problems >>are >>related to graph

reiserfs using too much space on my HD

2005-10-26 Thread Bedros Hanounik
Hi, I've been using reiserfs for several years now and it's been choice number one for me; I'll probably switch to reiser4 once it's in the main kernel. on my home file server machine, one hard drive (120GB) reports 80 GB used, but I have no idea how and where it's used. df -h reports 80GB used

Re: Our introduction to Reiser-list

2005-10-26 Thread Chester R. Hosey
Peter van Hardenberg wrote: > Although I freely acknowledge my inexperience, I believe the real problems > are > related to graph traversal algorithms. Linus has commented on the obvious > hardlink issues. I imagine there are more gremlins lurking in the shadows on > this one. Garbage collector

Re: My Dad suggests a redundant copies plugin

2005-10-26 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On 10/25/05, Ingo Bormuth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I agree, real backups are the major weappon against classical data loss due > to hardware failure. > Other quite anoying and common causes for data loss are accidentally deleted, > overwritten or modified files. A _simple_ versioning plugin wou

Fwd: My Dad suggests a redundant copies plugin

2005-10-26 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On 10/25/05, Sander <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > That will kill performance badly. First of all the two read/writes > needed, and second because you have to seek from one end to the disk to > the other every time you read/write something. Kill it worse for writes than a filesytem without wandering

My Dad suggests a redundant copies plugin

2005-10-26 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On 10/25/05, Hans Reiser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > This would not be (at least in theory) useful for RAID devices, but for > a user with a single disk drive, it might be useful to have a plugin > that creates two (or N) copies, and tries to allocate the two copies at > opposite ends of the disk.

Re: Our introduction to Reiser-list

2005-10-26 Thread Peter van Hardenberg
On October 26, 2005 05:44 am, you wrote: > Also take a look at the part of a (record-breakingly long?) thread "file > as a directory" on this list (also copied to lkml) near and after: > > http://www.ussg.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/0411.3/0044.html > > There, I suggested that file selection shou

Re: My Dad suggests a redundant copies plugin

2005-10-26 Thread Charles P. Wright
On Tue, 2005-10-25 at 09:25 +0200, Sander wrote: > Hans Reiser wrote (ao): > > This would not be (at least in theory) useful for RAID devices, but for > > a user with a single disk drive, it might be useful to have a plugin > > that creates two (or N) copies, and tries to allocate the two copies at

Re: Reiser4 documentation & specifically current status of repacker, compression, and semantics

2005-10-26 Thread Edward Shishkin
Hans Reiser wrote: Edward Shishkin wrote: Hans Reiser wrote: John Gilmore wrote: So the first beta of compression will only have the option to control it at mkfs time? It should be explained that on the first flush to disk of a new file the default compress plug

Re: Our introduction to Reiser-list

2005-10-26 Thread Peter Foldiak
Hubert Chan wrote: On Tue, 25 Oct 2005 17:04:55 -0700, Peter van Hardenberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: I envision creating a simple shell in a scripting language which will operate on an XML representation of the filesystem which maps, in the simple case, directories and files such that simp