In a message dated 11/6/2005 8:39:06 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
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Proselytizing, as Mike McConnell argued brilliantly in
Rosenberger, is just a dirty word for persuasion, and persuasion is
at the heart of the Free Speech Clause. Christian students have as much
In a message dated 11/6/2005 9:17:31 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
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So let’s
understand – the next kid that tells my 7 year old that we are going to hell,
which whether Rick agrees or not is always where that conversation goes, is
going to get a basic understand
In a message dated 11/6/2005 12:40:27 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
While it
may not be acceptable at school, it seems to me it is based, in some part, on
the notion of fighting words, which is recognized in Free Speech jurisprudence
(admittedly in the context
I have a black belt in the game of go. Does that count? :)SteveOn Nov 7, 2005, at 8:33 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 11/6/2005 9:17:31 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: So let’s understand – the next kid that tells my 7 year old that we are going to hell,
In a message dated 11/7/05 8:48:51 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
but it doesn't change that Free Speech Doctrine so that words suddenly rise to the level of fighting words because select, fragilely constructed individuals, act as though words are likely to provoke an immediat
In terms of what constitutes disruptive speech, I think there is a significant difference between oral speech outside of class (in the school yard before school, in the halls between classes, at recess, at lunch, etc) and expressive t-shirts worn in class. A Confederate t-shirt worn in the classroo
Ed, thanks for confirming my (where did I get them?) instincts. No
decision yet.
Jim
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Ed, thanks for confirming my (where did I get them?) instincts. No
decision yet.
Judge Jones indicated that he'd like to have a ruling done by the end of
the year, which for the attorneys is a bit rushed. They have to file
closing briefs in two weeks, then revisions and r
Title: Message
The press is reporting an IRS letter
to a church whose pastor gave an anti-war sermon on October 31, 2004. Link
below. Does anybody know of reports of similar letters to churches that
were supporting the President's campaign?
http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-a
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Does anyone know where one can find the text of
the letter? (Better yet would be to also find the text of the sermon,
though I'm not sure whether that's available.)
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He doesn’t need to be told that none
of the foregoing is tantamount to the liturgy, whereas under EAA evangelical
Protestants can have in-school prayer services that strongly resemble their Sunday
services. Catholics can’t do that.
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Is that really the view that Catholics take, or should take? "We aren't
going to conduct masses in school. Therefore, we will oppose the Equal
Access Act. Never mind that it helps other religions, including other
Christians, conduct their services, and worship God as they think is
right. Never
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This is supposed to be the text of the sermon,
although I have had trouble making the link work. I'm sending it on
anyway, because the problem may be in my e-mail program and not in the
link.
http://www.allsaints-pas.org/archives/sermons/(10-31-04)%20If%20Jesus%20Deba
This may be off topic, but what makes the
invitees the “finest” people?
From: Sanford Levinson
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Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2005
1:41 AM
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Subject: RE: Social Notes from All
Over
I was engaging in poetic license!
sandy
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Subject: RE: Social Notes from All Over
This may be off topic, but what makes the invitees the "finest"
What's a "scare quote?"
What does anything below have to do with the tough and hard theological
questions, especially those that concern the church-sacrament system?
And what does anything below have to do with the problem at the center
of the anecdote, namely, if evangelical Protestant teaching
I have been out of town so I apologize for
inserting myself into the middle of this thread.
It seems to me that Rick’s analogy
is clearly wrong – and perhaps the reasons it is wrong can help explain
some of the differences in perspective on the list.
I would not be offended if I was
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If we may, Tom, Let's move away from what Alito may or may not have said
about Santa Fe and focus on C.H. v. Oliva -- where we know exactly what
he said.
Suppose in a first or second grade class, children drew pictures with
descriptions to be hung on the wall of the classroom. The class was
overwh
The question below is one that Pius IX might have asked.
Probably did. My understanding is that John Courtney Murray gave the
Catholic version of the answer, and that his answer was largely adopted
at the Second Vatican Council.
The centuries long conflict arising out of the Refor
Title: Message
Let’s put this in context. There
are only certain religious groups that are attempting to convert other people.
That matters. The reality is a dynamic of persistence and resistance.
From: Volokh, Eugene
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Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2005
Gramatical use provides quotation marks to identify a quoted term, a phrase,
a sentence, or a longer passage. However, the quotation marks are use to
identify a term in an unnatural use of a term.
"Either of a pair of quotation marks used to emphasize a word or phrase or
to indicate its speci
Well, Catholics, as I understand it, are still trying to convert
people in the Third World; am I mistaken on that? Many atheists are
trying to convert people, in the sense of trying to persuade people to
reject religion.
More broadly, that only some groups choose to exercise their free
sp
Say that we asked, "if liberal teaching undermines conservative
beliefs, then why should conservatives encourage such teaching," and the
"encourage[ment]" was equal access to fora that are open to many other
speakers (recall that the issue has to do with religious speech in
schools where ot
Doug, could you refer to the documents of the Second Vatican Council
that say that the Church should support facilitation of the teaching or
presentation in the public schools of doctrine antithetical to the
Catholic faith on the grounds that teaching any religion is better than
teaching no religio
I thought that we were talking about the United States? I was.
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From: Volokh, Eugene [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, November 07, 2005 5:24 PM
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Subject: RE: non-disruptive speech ?
Well, Catholics, as I understand
Since this is relevant to the question of whether Protestants
are so unusual in proselytizing, I thought I'd take the liberty of
asking a theological question: Don't Catholics hope that more
non-Catholics become Catholics, and in fact take active steps to do so?
If so, then I don't see why
We were, but I hadn't thought that Catholic theology
distinguished the U.S. from the Third World. If it's proper for
Catholics to spread their faith in Africa, I would have thought that it
would be proper here, too. Are Catholics completely uninterested in
converting others to Catholicism
1. A Catholic has lost his or her way, if not his or here senses, if he
or she believes that acceptance of Jesus or objection to abortion is
"deeper" than the liturgy. See The Catechism of the Catholic Church
Part Two: The Celebration of the Christian Mystery, in particular
paragraph 1068, quoting
I've been hesitant to jump in as this seems to drift a bit off topic,
but given the invitation I'll add my perspective. I am a Catholic,
and was educated in Catholic schools and have represented Catholic
organizations for many years. But, I married a protestant and go to
Sunday services and Bible
Of course no document of Vatican II talks specifically about
private religious speech in public schools. And if there were such a
discussion, it would not be on the basis that some religion is better
than no religion.
The documents of Vatican II do defend freedom of conscience for
The Church's teachings on evangelization are clear up to a point. The
Catechism, quoting Lumen gentium, I believe, calls on Catholics to "The
proclamation of Christ by word and the testimony of life." See
paragraph 905. That paragraph goes to say "This witness of life ... is
not the sole element
Sam, I have not said that American Catholics feel threatened. Indeed, I
think that they don't, and that may turn out to be detrimental to the
Church. So on the question whether Catholics feel threatened, in point
of fact, you and I agree. We may disagree on the consequences of not
feeling threat
See my interlineations below (all in upper cae).
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Sent: Monday, November 07, 2005 6:49 PM
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Subject: RE: 500 years
Of course no document of Vatican II talks specifically ab
In a message dated 11/7/2005 1:46:33 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
The
press is reporting an IRS letter to a church whose pastor gave an anti-war
sermon on October 31, 2004. Link below. Does anybody know of
reports of similar letters to churches that were sup
In a message dated 11/7/2005 3:11:57 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Catholics can’t do that.
If there is a weakness to the EAA, this is probably where it lies.
The Act disadvantages students forming religious clubs in ways that are
different than other types of or
Well, they can't have an
outside leader under the Equal Access Act. But after Good News Club v.
Milford Central School, they can have an outside leader under the First
Amendment if other clubs are permitted to have outside leaders.
They probably still can't have after-school mass,
becau
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