Hobby Lobby/Conestoga Wood opening briefs

2014-01-11 Thread Marty Lederman
Linked here: http://balkin.blogspot.com/2014/01/opening-briefs-in-hobby-lobby-and.html On Sun, Dec 8, 2013 at 11:01 PM, Marty Lederman lederman.ma...@gmail.comwrote: Official word from the Court: All briefs for an amicus curiae must be filed on or before Tuesday, January 28, 2014. An

Re: Conestoga Opening Brief -- Free Exercise/Selective Exemption Argument

2014-01-11 Thread Marty Lederman
Just a quick point to quibble with the factual premises of the selectivity argument. Plans offered by small business *do *have to include the relevant preventive services, including -- but hardly limited to -- contraception services. (The services also include cholesterol screening; colorectal

Re: Conestoga Opening Brief -- Free Exercise/Selective Exemption Argument

2014-01-11 Thread Marci Hamilton
To follow up on Marty's last point --In the Milwaukee Archdiocese bankruptcy, the AD is arguing that the religious exemptions in the federal bankruptcy code trigger strict scrutiny. I agree w Marty's implicit point -- that makes little sense. Our opening briefs to the 7 th Cir are due on

Re: Conestoga Opening Brief -- Free Exercise/Selective Exemption Argument

2014-01-11 Thread nathan chapman
Marty, Quick clarification: Do small business have to offer plans? (I know that small businesses are not subject to the same Title VII standards as large businesses, so there is strong legislative precedent for treating small businesses differently than, say, large closely held for profits

Re: Conestoga Opening Brief -- Free Exercise/Selective Exemption Argument

2014-01-11 Thread Marty Lederman
*No* businesses have to offer plans (as I've explained in several posts at Balkinization). But if a plan does so, it must include preventive services. And if the employer -- large or small -- does not offer a plan, its employees will be eligible for an exchange plan, which must also include

Re: Conestoga Opening Brief -- Free Exercise/Selective Exemption Argument

2014-01-11 Thread nathan chapman
I suppose I need to be more specific. Are small businesses subject to the same taxes/penalties/fees/tithes/required payments to the government that large businesses are subject to if they do not provide a health plan? On Jan 11, 2014, at 9:42 AM, Marty Lederman lederman.ma...@gmail.com wrote:

Re: Conestoga Opening Brief -- Free Exercise/Selective Exemption Argument

2014-01-11 Thread nathan chapman
I take it that RFRA and Lukumi incorporate a means test, not just an ends test. If the government can meet its goal without forcing small employers to subsidize it, why not with a small class of large for profit corps? The government may have a good answer -- I don't mean to imply that it

Re: Conestoga Opening Brief -- Free Exercise/Selective Exemption Argument

2014-01-11 Thread Marty Lederman
Not sure I understand what you're saying here, Nathan. The law is designed so that virtually all plans -- whether employer plans, or Medicaid, or Medicare, or exchange plans -- provide access to cost-free preventive services coverage (including but by no means limited to contraceptive coverage).

varieties of underinclusiveness

2014-01-11 Thread nathan chapman
Marty, I ran out of space on the other chain. Thanks for carefully responding to my questions, and I'm sorry for any confusion. I think nonreligious statutory exemptions could be relevant to RFRA and First Amendment analyses in at least three different ways. First, they could suggest that

The government's brief

2014-01-11 Thread Douglas Laycock
Footnote 2 of the government's brief appears to disclaim, and rebut, the view that large employers are free to drop health insurance and pay the taxes. Douglas Laycock Robert E. Scott Distinguished Professor of Law University of Virginia Law School 580 Massie Road Charlottesville, VA

Re: The government's brief

2014-01-11 Thread Marty Lederman
I don't read it to say anything of the sort: Footnote 2 is about what can happen if an employer *that* *sponsors a plan* fails to include required coverage. On Sat, Jan 11, 2014 at 12:08 PM, Douglas Laycock dlayc...@virginia.eduwrote: Footnote 2 of the government’s brief appears to disclaim,

RE: The government's brief

2014-01-11 Thread Douglas Laycock
Aah! I think that's right. Douglas Laycock Robert E. Scott Distinguished Professor of Law University of Virginia Law School 580 Massie Road Charlottesville, VA 22903 434-243-8546 From: religionlaw-boun...@lists.ucla.edu [mailto:religionlaw-boun...@lists.ucla.edu] On Behalf Of

Re: The government's brief

2014-01-11 Thread Marty Lederman
Indeed, just one week ago, in its *Little Sisters *brief, the government told the Court this: The preventive-services coverage provision in general, and the contraceptive-coverage provision in particular, apply only if an employer offers a group health plan. Employers, however, are not required

Re: varieties of underinclusiveness

2014-01-11 Thread Marty Lederman
Nathan: I agree that the government has other ways to achieve its compelling interest -- paying for the coverage itself -- if by coverage you mean health insurance coverage. And thus, for unemployed persons, and employees who do not have access to employer-offered insurance, that's exactly what

Re: The government's brief

2014-01-11 Thread Gaubatz, Derek
Maybe I'm missing your point, but it seems to me that forcing religious employers to such a coercive choice hardly relieves the burden. Why should an employer be forced, because of its religious convictions to refuse to offer its employees health coverage? The fact that there is a legal

Re: The government's brief

2014-01-11 Thread Marty Lederman
Derek: I wasn't making any point here except that, contrary to the assumptions of virtually all plaintiffs and courts of appeals, there is no legal *requirement* that any employer offer its employees a health insurance plan. That's not a non sequitur -- it's a straightforward refutation of a