Re: Discrimination under Title VII and RFRA (was Patently Frivolous)

2013-11-27 Thread Michael Worley
I know this isn't a full answer; but the issue is not whether or not a woman can use birth control for cramps, etc. as far as I am aware. Further, the issue is who pays for the contraception, not whether the contraception can be used. On Wed, Nov 27, 2013 at 7:50 AM, hamilto...@aol.com wrote:

Re: Discrimination under Title VII and RFRA (was Patently Frivolous)

2013-11-27 Thread Ira Lupu
All of Marci's hypotheticals are loaded up, because they involve direct imposition on women's behavior (wear head scarves, don't use certain medicines or drugs) rather than just refusing to pay for the relevant goods. And Marci's claim that Hobby Lobby and others are engaging in religious

Re: Discrimination under Title VII and RFRA (was Patently Frivolous)

2013-11-27 Thread Marty Lederman
The government *is *relying upon women's equality -- not only health -- as one of the compelling interests. This makes sense, since presumably most (but not all) employees would pay for contraception ut of pocket, rather than go without. As for whether an employer's failure to cover

Re: Discrimination under Title VII and RFRA (was Patently Frivolous)

2013-11-27 Thread Marci Hamilton
Chip-- it might be a standing issue regarding the religious discrimination but I still think it has legs because, eg, a Presbyterian is having her job benefits limited solely according to religion that she doesn't share, in contravention of both economics and health standards. Shaping a

Re: Discrimination under Title VII and RFRA (was Patently Frivolous)

2013-11-27 Thread Marci Hamilton
Marty- one addition --women will also have to pay for oral contraceptives to stop excessive bleeding, cramps, and hormone- triggered acne. I think this discussion needs to factor in the medical uses beyond contraception for millions of women over the course of their lives. Marci Marci A.

Re: Discrimination under Title VII and RFRA (was Patently Frivolous)

2013-11-27 Thread Scarberry, Mark
4G LTE Smartphone Original message From: Ira Lupu icl...@law.gwu.edu Date: 11/27/2013 8:14 AM (GMT-08:00) To: Law Religion issues for Law Academics religionlaw@lists.ucla.edu Subject: Re: Discrimination under Title VII and RFRA (was Patently Frivolous) All of Marci's

Re: Discrimination under Title VII and RFRA (was Patently Frivolous)

2013-11-27 Thread Scarberry, Mark
This may or may not be relevant to the constitutional question, but I think it's likely that the religious employers in these cases would not object to providing coverage for those medications if prescribed for non-contraceptive purposes (because contraception would be a secondary effect).

RE: Discrimination under Title VII and RFRA (was Patently Frivolous)

2013-11-27 Thread Berg, Thomas C.
Religion issues for Law Academics Subject: Re: Discrimination under Title VII and RFRA (was Patently Frivolous) All of Marci's hypotheticals are loaded up, because they involve direct imposition on women's behavior (wear head scarves, don't use certain medicines or drugs) rather than just

Re: Discrimination under Title VII and RFRA (was Patently Frivolous)

2013-11-27 Thread James Oleske
There is at least one district court decision upholding the EEOC's view of the PDA. See Erickson v. Bartell Drug Co., 141 F. Supp. 2d 1266, 1271-72 (W.D. Wash. 2001): Having reviewed the legislative history of Title VII and the PDA, the language of the statute itself, and the relevant case law,

Re: Discrimination under Title VII and RFRA (was Patently Frivolous)

2013-11-27 Thread Marci Hamilton
I certainly hope they will rely on these statutes which are evidence of (1) the ingrained and ongoing persistence of gender discrimination across society and in private institutions; (2) the need to be vigilant as these hard-fought rights can be compromised at any time; and (3) this religious

Re: Discrimination under Title VII and RFRA (was Patently Frivolous)

2013-11-27 Thread Marci Hamilton
To: Law Religion issues for Law Academics Subject: Re: Discrimination under Title VII and RFRA (was Patently Frivolous) All of Marci's hypotheticals are loaded up, because they involve direct imposition on women's behavior (wear head scarves, don't use certain medicines or drugs) rather

RE: Discrimination under Title VII and RFRA (was Patently Frivolous)

2013-11-27 Thread Douglas Laycock
Of Marci Hamilton Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2013 12:32 PM To: Law Religion issues for Law Academics Cc: Law Religion issues for Law Academics Subject: Re: Discrimination under Title VII and RFRA (was Patently Frivolous) Tom-- they are not opposed to the Pill? Marci A. Hamilton Verkuil

Re: Discrimination under Title VII and RFRA (was Patently Frivolous)

2013-11-27 Thread Marci Hamilton
[mailto:religionlaw-boun...@lists.ucla.edu] On Behalf Of Marci Hamilton Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2013 12:32 PM To: Law Religion issues for Law Academics Cc: Law Religion issues for Law Academics Subject: Re: Discrimination under Title VII and RFRA (was Patently Frivolous) Tom

RE: Discrimination under Title VII and RFRA (was Patently Frivolous)

2013-11-27 Thread Douglas Laycock
: Wednesday, November 27, 2013 1:10 PM To: Law Religion issues for Law Academics Cc: Law Religion issues for Law Academics Subject: Re: Discrimination under Title VII and RFRA (was Patently Frivolous) So how does it work? The women need pre approval from their boss? And I thought the bishops oppose

Re: Discrimination under Title VII and RFRA (was Patently Frivolous)

2013-11-27 Thread Richard Dougherty
The medications which are normally prescribed for birth control purposes, which we commonly call contraceptives, also have other uses, which uses may be perfectly harmonious with Catholic teaching. I am not aware of any prescription drug plan offered through a Catholic organization that does not