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I should note that the study defined "Biblical worldview" quite
narrowly; I couldn't find the exact text, but the Barna site reports
that "For the purpo
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Thanks very much to all for your comments. I read and save them
all as part of my undergraduate studies, while completing my senior
thesis on evangeli
Thanks very much to all for your comments. I read and save them all as part of
my undergraduate studies, while completing my senior thesis on evangelical
Christian participants in conservative politics.
I wanted to note that 7-14% having no religious affiliation, as reported at UC
Berkely, and
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Michael Hout and Claude Fis
God is the bond, and blessed are
those contentions by which it is necessary to maintain the kingdom of Christ."
-- John Calvin.
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ure, but I suspect that the "unaffiliated" have
been
around for a long time in the United States, and in numbers not
that far
removed from 10.8%.
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aintain
the kingdom of Christ." -- John Calvin.
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Folks: I like t
s by which it is necessary to maintain the kingdom of Christ."
-- John Calvin.
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The first amendment applies to what the government can do, not
to what is acceptable on a private listserv. This list is for discussion
of religion and law, not for you
Amen
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Ironically/
Ironically/coincidentally/providentially (your choice!), the quote of the
day on my iGoogle home page today is this from Bertrand Russell:
If a man is offered a fact which goes against his instincts, he will
scrutinize it closely, and unless the evidence is overwhelming, he will
refuse to belie
om of Christ."
-- John Calvin.
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The first amendment applies to what the gov
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Chill, Ed, it's called free speech, the free exercise of religion, First
s by which it is necessary to maintain the kingdom of Christ."
-- John Calvin.
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urday, September 08, 2007 5:20 PM
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Simple indeed -- if you have faith. And all those secular shrinks have
been doing a great job, right? In fact, unbelief IS a mental illness
since it denies reality, God's reality
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Wow. So simple. And just think how many doctors have been struggling
for so long to help the mentally ill.
Susan
John Lofton wrote:
> True "mental health" is believin
I agree that it has a negative connotation to many. That does not
mean it is pejorative when used even by those for whom it has that
connotation. Evangelism directed at them or "sharing the good news"
with engenders the same response regardless of the name it is given.
And to me, "sharin
I think it's true that proselytize has a negative connotation to
some people and is a perfectly neutral word for other people. To
some people it means intrusive, oppressive, badgering attempts to
persuade, and to others, it simply means to spread the word. But I
think a substantial subset of t
I can only say curiouser and curiotser. I have never heard anyone say
such a thing, any more than saying "*I* belong to a cult". Nor have I
heard any self-styled-mainline Christians use "proselytizing" as anything
other than something reprehensible.
The most nearly neutral reference I e
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I agree with Michael and Steven that "proselytizing" is an
accurate word to employ. I th
at
I was being accurate. From:
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had
many a christian tell me it is their obligation to prose
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Some Christians proselytize; some don't. Same with atheists.
There is clearly a hostile secular reaction to evangelical activism and
political influence; it is visible in our politics and in some of the
Hmm; I had thought, from looking at Prof. Newsom's earlier work,
that he had indeed seen "proselytizing" as a pejorative term. Was I
mistaken?
Eugene
Michael Newsom writes:
I have an article coming out soon that has the word
"proselytizing" in its title. Like Steve, I
And, of course, especially in the context of religion, reporting a religious
"affiliation" does not entail taking religious seriously. Many people, I
suspect, report that they are religiously affiliated for social, political,
and
professional reasons, not religious ones.
Bobby
Robert Ju
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Curious. I've had many a christian tell me it is their obligation to
proselytize -- using that very word.
I don't see anything pejorative in it at all. It is quite accurate.
On 9/6/07, Will Linden &
ot; have been
around for a long time in the United States, and in numbers not that far
removed from 10.8%.
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> I am certainly well aware that Christian Reconstructionists are a
> small minority; however, the line between some of their beliefs and
Well, we do use compulsion in criminal law, and we have many other
distinctions that are hard to use. Mere difficulty or philosophical or
psychological critiques are not enough to make a concept not useful in the
law. That it is not as hard-edged or clear as we might like would make
most law inv
To bolster what my erstwhile professor (Doug Laycock) has said, the
theological basis upon which a compelled/motivated distinction in FE
claims would be based is unworkable.
Speaking from at least a Christian theological perspective, (I did my
undergrad and masters in theology at Cambridge and
those contentions by which it is necessary to maintain the kingdom of Christ."
-- John Calvin.
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My point is that the actual use of "proselytize" is loaded with Finagle
Factors to exclude identical BEHAVIOR which does not include the speaker's
wrath. We never hear that "Al Gore came to town to PROSELYTIZE for the
Democrats!"
At 12:31 PM 9/6/07 -0400, you wrote:
>Christians are comma
ch it is necessary to maintain the kingdom of Christ."
-- John Calvin.
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I am certainly well aware that Christian Reconstructionists are a small
minor
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On Thu, 6 Sep 2007, Douglas Laycock wrote:
> Some Christians proselytize; some don't. Same with atheists.
"Proseleytize" is one of those funny words, like "cult
Curious. I've had many a christian tell me it is their obligation to
proselytize -- using that very word.
I don't see anything pejorative in it at all. It is quite accurate.
On 9/6/07, Will Linden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> On Thu, 6 Sep 2007, Douglas Laycock wrote:
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> > Some Christians pr
I am certainly well aware that Christian Reconstructionists are a small
minority; however, the line between some of their beliefs and those of some
(please note both uses of the word some) members of the Christian Right may
not be
particularly bright (more of a continuum). Sort of like the l
On Thu, 6 Sep 2007, Douglas Laycock wrote:
> Some Christians proselytize; some don't. Same with atheists.
"Proseleytize" is one of those funny words, like "cult" and
"superstition", which can only be applied to Somebody Else BY DEFINITION.
We share, you preach, They proseleytize. Consequently
Some Christians proselytize; some don't. Same with atheists.
There is clearly a hostile secular reaction to evangelical activism and
political influence; it is visible in our politics and in some of the
resistance to free exercise claims, and it shows up statistically in a
surge of people repo
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