[Repeater-Builder] Re: decibel duplexer

If they are free then takr them you may be able to use them later. I have used cans like these for several projects requiring additional isolation. Besides, if you can get enough of them, you might be able to build a good duplexer. So if anyone has cans or old duplexers that they want to get ri

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Choosing a Site

Especially when you live near Auroua ... Neil Ken Arck wrote: > > At 07:47 AM 11/12/2005 -0800, you wrote: > > > > Depending on the equipment involved, try an outdoor weatherproof > > (ok, weather resistant) cabinet. > > <---Outdoor cabinets suck in Oregon :-) > > Ken > Yahoo! G

Re: [Repeater-Builder] No duplexer- 2 antenna ?

According to an ancient DOS Site management tool, the duplexer or cavity will require 75.6dB of Isolation for this combo not to cause receiver degenereation. This assumes Receiver 12dB Sinad point in uV = .2 48 feet Vertical Separation, or 1530 Feet Horizontal Separation will provide the requi

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Micor VHF High Band Repeater Amplifier

Chas, I suggest you look for a Motorola TLD1692 Power Amplifier, which is rated at 100 watts continuous duty in the 132-150.8 MHz band. You'll also need a TLD5321 Exciter and a TFD6111 Bandpass Filter, both of which are for the 132-150.8 MHz band. One source of Canadian surplus Micor equipment i

Re: [Repeater-Builder] No duplexer- 2 antenna ?

> My CommShop program suggests a minimum of 72 dB isolation, which can be > achieved with at least 39 feet of vertical separation. I'd go at least 50 > feet, with the RX antenna on top, and fed with 7/8" Heliax. I'm assuming 50 > watts TX power and 0.3 uV RX sensitivity. 73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Micor 412.XXXX repeater and Syntor X mobile

OK, can anyone tell which split it is? The rest of the radios were government surplus and on those frequencies. If these are on the low split they would go to Ham really easy but if on the upper split NADA. Paul -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL

[Repeater-Builder] Re: Choosing a Site

Same here in Tucson,Arizona. Outdoor cabinets suck big timewith the heat!!! Doug W7FDF Vail, Arizona --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, Ken Arck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > At 07:47 AM 11/12/2005 -0800, you wrote: > > > > Depending on the equipment involved, try an outdoor weatherpr

Re: [Repeater-Builder] No duplexer- 2 antenna ?

A good starting point would be at least 30 ft vertical seperation between the antennas. Milt N3LTQ - Original Message - From: "robertakelseyjr" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2005 6:36 PM Subject: [Repeater-Builder] No duplexer- 2 antenna ? > I have a new yeasu 9

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Solar Panel Question

If the panels are isolated by a diode, it shouldn't matter if they are different makes/models/sizes etc. as long as their open circuit output voltages are somewhat above that required by the regulator. The simplest VR for a panel would be a high power zener diode (or equivalent). The zener would c

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Solar Panel Question

Brett, I'd suggest a tilt angle of about 32 degrees from horizontal, with the panels facing True (not compass) North. More info is here: 73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY Brett wrote: > Hi guys.Just a Q re: What direction and angle for panel at 3 degree > south of

[Repeater-Builder] No duplexer- 2 antenna ?

I have a new yeasu 9000 that seems i can program (its synthisized) multiple channels and fx's for repeater mode and at the push of a button change pairs.. If I understand the software correctly. So If I want to use it to its full potential how much physical separation of the antenna''s do I

Re: [Repeater-Builder] decibel duplexer

There is a list of duplexers on the repeater builder web site also. - Original Message - From: "BOB UNICK" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2005 3:39 PM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] decibel duplexer > Thanks that what I thought > > --- Mathew Quaife <[EMAIL PROT

[Repeater-Builder] 220 Cobra

When looking around the WWW for various info on The 220 Cobra 220 Mobile , I also see Midland 13-509 and Clegg 220 Is their any difference or are they all the same, And Who is actually the Rightful Designer or clones, Going to use this as a Link, before I order Xtals dos anyone have 223.1

Re: [Repeater-Builder] MOSLO

Moslo is also available here: Kevin mike wrote: >Hi all > For those that have been having problems programing the older >Motorola radio's ie X9000 etc,use Moslo it does work. I used a 486/33 >with Moslo Delux and it worked perfectly

Re: [Repeater-Builder] RF Tilt Compensator Schematic?

DCFluX wrote: > It is 75 Ohm cable, Paticualrly RG-6 Plenum which has approx 1dB of > Tilt per Octave at 100'. Maximum power is +25dBmV. Intersted in > attenuating the lower channels more than the upper ones, and I will > follow it with an amp on each floor after it is compensated. The devi

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Tuning a MSF5000 UHF repeater

You must hook everything up to get it to transmit. There is a power sensor in the PA which sends a signal back to the controller, and if it doesn't see any output power when it knows the exciter is keyed, it tells you that the PA has failed. Since you broke that connection, the PA failure beeps are

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Solar Panel Question

Hi guys. Just a Q re: what diection and angle for panel at 3 degree south of the equater in Africa? Would you face some Nor-Eastly and some Nor-Westerly? This is a Q that has been hrown around since I installed and commisioned a 100km 4 x E1 link in Tanzania earlier this year. The gear was

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Tuning a MSF5000 UHF repeater

I got the DTMF controller disconnected, took care of that issue.  I disconnected the pa and the f/d and hooked my service monitor directly to the exciter, and still it does not want to transmit,, but just momentarily.  I adjusted the VCO on the transmitter to the 38 uV like it said to, did not s

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Tuning a MSF5000 UHF repeater

"Bob M." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I get the impression that if you HAD a manual, youwouldn't be asking all these questions.   Yes I have the manual, however some of it appears to greek to me, but as I ask questions, it makes more sense.  Anyway, tuning the internal filter/duplexer is a royalP

[Repeater-Builder] MOSLO

Hi all For those that have been having problems programing the older Motorola radio's ie X9000 etc,use Moslo it does work. I used a 486/33 with Moslo Delux and it worked perfectly. The string that I used was Moslo.com /p2 rdprog or whatever your program calls for to program the radio. I have

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Solar Panel Question

I'm not trying to start a fight, Eric, just answer a few questions. Unless you are pointing the dissimilar panels in different directions [Unless we have two or more suns, the panels should be in the same plane, pointing in the same direction. Since the angle for opt

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Tuning a MSF5000 UHF repeater

I've placed the filter/duplexer tuning instructions, and a page that describes the audible alarms, in the Files section of the MSF5000 Yahoo group. That seems to be the place that they belong, and there was plenty of room there to store them (each one is about 500kb). Bob M. == --- Mathew Quai

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Tuning a MSF5000 UHF repeater

Mathew -   IIRC the two beeps indicates an impedance mismatch between the IPA and the prefilter or the PA and the post filter.  Tune both of these and it should work.   Also I did not realize you have the DTMF option, it would be best to unplug it so that you can check the repeater witho

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Tuning a MSF5000 UHF repeater

Ok, still getting the two beeps.  Hooked a dummy load to the exciter, and my service monitor to the receiver, and still only get the two beeps.  When I hit the xmit switch on the control, it attempts to key the tramsitter for a moment, then drops the carrier and then just beeps.   Mathew "Bob M.

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Tuning a MSF5000 UHF repeater

Yes, you CAN bypass it with a pair of barrel connectors. You'll get more power out than you will with the filters in place. There are two manuals for the digital station; the error codes and beeps might be in the manual you don't have, or they're on a page that describes trunking alarms. Bob M. =

Re: [Repeater-Builder] decibel duplexer

Thanks, that is what I thought. --- BOB UNICK <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Thanks that what I thought > > --- Mathew Quaife <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Hi Bob, at 3 meg split, these will not work work, > > since you are at a 600KC split, less than 1 meg. > > There has been a few sets show

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Tuning a MSF5000 UHF repeater

I get the impression that if you HAD a manual, you wouldn't be asking all these questions. Anyway, tuning the internal filter/duplexer is a royal P.I.T.A. The first thing I do is remove the outer skin from the cabinet. This gets you easy access to the connectors on the F/D. The procedure requires

Re: [Repeater-Builder] decibel duplexer

Thanks that what I thought --- Mathew Quaife <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi Bob, at 3 meg split, these will not work work, > since you are at a 600KC split, less than 1 meg. > There has been a few sets show up on ebay, but just > be careful. > > Mathew > > > BOB UNICK <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wr

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Tuning a MSF5000 UHF repeater

Is there a list of these beeps in the manual, I have looked for them, not able to find them. For testing purposes, am I able to bypass the filter for the time being?  Just to test the repeat function of the repeater.   Mathew nj902 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.c

[Repeater-Builder] Re: Tuning a MSF5000 UHF repeater

--- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, Mathew Quaife <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: "... I went from a 3 beep now to a 2 beep. ..." See the "Operation" section of your manual for a description of the alarms. 2 beeps = PA alarm. That should g

Re: [Repeater-Builder] decibel duplexer

At 12:28 PM 11/12/2005 -0800, you wrote: Our club is in need of a new set of cans for our repeater and we have access to some used Decibel DB4044 cans. Speces say they are for freqs 148-174 with a min 3 meg separation. We need to tune it for 145.295 with of course 600 k separation. Can these

Re: [Repeater-Builder] decibel duplexer

Hi Bob, at 3 meg split, these will not work work, since you are at a 600KC split, less than 1 meg.  There has been a few sets show up on ebay, but just be careful.   Mathew BOB UNICK <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Our club is in need of a new set of cans for our repeater and we have access to some

[Repeater-Builder] decibel duplexer

Our club is in need of a new set of cans for our repeater and we have access to some used Decibel DB4044 cans. Speces say they are for freqs 148-174 with a min 3 meg separation. We need to tune it for 145.295 with of course 600 k separation. Can these cans be tuned to this and still work good? O

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Tuning a MSF5000 UHF repeater

Thanks Bob, I did finally get that one, got them locked, and the receiver is nearly tuned, however no repeat as of yet.  I went from a 3 beep now to a 2 beep.  Looking for that.   Mathew "Bob M." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: The VCO coils are only present on the UHF stations,and as I recall, that'

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Tuning a MSF5000 UHF repeater

The VCO coils are only present on the UHF stations, and as I recall, that's what you have. Pull the RF tray out and swing the control tray up, then turn the VCO Lock knobs to the TRANSIT positions. This will push them down into their cavities in the RF tray casting. On each side, lower rear, you w

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Tuning a MSF5000 UHF repeater

Ok, I think I have missed it, or misplaced it.  Which ones are the VCO adjustment pots.  All the manual tells me is to adjust the VCO pots, but I have no diagram showing which ones they are.   Mathew "Bob M." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Cute method. I believe even the digital station canoutput so

Re: [Repeater-Builder] RF Tilt Compensator Schematic?

Just buy the tilt compensator or an amp that has one internal. Try Toner cable equipment and Quality RF services, those are two companies I remeber dealing with, there are several more. Paul kb9wlc --- DCFluX <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > It is 75 Ohm cable, Paticualrly RG-6 Plenum which > has ap

Re: [Repeater-Builder] RF Tilt Compensator Schematic?

It is 75 Ohm cable, Paticualrly RG-6 Plenum which has approx 1dB of Tilt per Octave at 100'.  Maximum power is +25dBmV.  Intersted in attenuating the lower channels more than the upper ones, and I will follow it with an amp on each floor after it is compensated. Some genius company, that is use

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Tuning a MSF5000 UHF repeater

Cute method. I believe even the digital station can output some tones, although I've never heard them. Mathew also asked (originally) what else needed to be adjusted when moving the frequency. The transmitter is already wide-band and other than the VCO, it doesn't have any adjustments at all. The

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Tuning a MSF5000 UHF repeater

Thanks Bob, I am reading the manual now to see if I can find out what the beeps are all about.  I did readjust the receiver after I put the original chip back in the unit.   Mathew "Bob M." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Unfortunately, I've never worked on one that needs theEPROM, so the beeps are n

[Repeater-Builder] Re: Tuning a MSF5000 UHF repeater

--- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, Mathew Quaife <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: "...I put in the new eprom, and all it does is beeps at me. .." __ The alarm tone beeps are generated once every 10 seconds, and if more than one

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Solar Panel Question

Kevin, You raise some interesting arguments. I guess we'll have to agree to disagree. My comments to your comments are bracketed below. Kevin Custer wrote: > Some general comments to all, and a question for Eric > > Eric Lemmon wrote: > >> It's generally not a good idea to run dissimilar s

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Tuning a MSF5000 UHF repeater

Unfortunately, I've never worked on one that needs the EPROM, so the beeps are new to me. I only have the manuals for the digital stations that use RSS. However, the first step is to adjust the two VCO coils, since if they aren't putting out the right signal, the station would refuse to operate. M

Re: [Repeater-Builder] repeater antenna connection

Use properly installed type-N connectors, then seal. I have undone connectors that have been properly installed and used in an ocean front environment for 20 years. The connectors are as bright and clean as the day they were installed. 73 Glenn WB4UIV At 10:39 AM 11/12/05, you wrote: > I

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Choosing a Site

Forgot to add, at each tower site, there is a name plate as to whom own's or controls the site, with both a contact number and an emergency number, the site number, and all realted information.   Mathew Joe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Greetings, all.I'm putting up a 900 MHz repeater. Had a site l

[Repeater-Builder] Re: TK 820 tranceiver full duplex/repeater operation

Hola Daniel, To say it quick... it's not possible to operate a tk-820 in duplex mode without a lot of work and some serious parts added/modded in. It is possible to use the tk-820 inside the the tkr-820 as a replacement parts source. You must do the conversion, which means use the parts and

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Tuning a MSF5000 UHF repeater

Well I know the system is fucntional with the eprom that came with the unit.  I put in the new eprom, and all it does is beeps at me.  I detuned the coils in the receiver, started the alignment procedure, and was not able to get it to open squelch.  So either I have a problem with my chip, or I

[Repeater-Builder] Re: TK 820 tranceiver full duplex/repeater operation

Actually Barry... it's spelled "Que?" s. > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > k? > > --- XE2ESEi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Hola Daniel, lo que deseas no es posible, mándame > > un correo a > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > y te podré dar mas información con gusto. > > > > Juan > > > > ---Men

Re: [Repeater-Builder] repeater antenna connection

Yes, proper weatherproofing on the outside. If you are getting corrosion on the inside, your weatherproofing has failed. However, by their poor design, some antennas cannot be properly weatherproofed at the point of attachment. This is typical of many ham-grade antennas. Chuck WB2EDV kerry

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Choosing a Site

well Joe, even here on the other side of the border we have the same situation,radio site where radio-amateur were permit to install equipment for many years are now getting tougher to negociate the "apartement". we have much more restriction in access sine the sept.2001 that they justify there

[Repeater-Builder] Re: Tuning a MSF5000 UHF repeater

--- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, "n9lv" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Anyone have any experience in tuning up an MSF5000 repeater. I'm taking it from 465 Mhz to 442 Mhz. Other than the filter, what else must be done? Is the exciter wide band enough as well as the receiver, or will they nee

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Choosing a Site

Sites are tough. That's why I purchased my own. Chuck WB2EDV Mathew Quaife wrote: > Joe, all I can say is Good Luck. Commercial sites are getting difficult > to get, they don't want to allow amatuer on the towers. I talked with > three companies, and got the same response. They require at

Re: [Repeater-Builder] repeater antenna connection

Kerry, Although it is a good idea to apply a very small amount of silicone compound to the threads of a connector, one must be careful to not let any of the compound get on the electrical contacts. One of the primary reasons for using type N connectors on antennas is that they are watertight when

Re: [Repeater-Builder] repeater antenna connection

I've seen the silicon paste that used to be called tuner lub in connectors. The main thing is to keep the water out in the first place by using the correct water proofing material. It is very sticking and hard to get off but works. Paul kb9wlc --- kerry mail <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Is

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Choosing a Site

At 07:47 AM 11/12/2005 -0800, you wrote: > > Depending on the equipment involved, try an outdoor weatherproof > (ok, weather resistant) cabinet. <---Outdoor cabinets suck in Oregon :-) Ken -- President and CTO - Arcom

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Choosing a Site

Depending on the equipment involved, try an outdoor weatherproof (ok, weather resistant) cabinet. Neil - WA6KLA Ken Arck wrote: > > At 07:31 AM 11/12/2005 -0800, you wrote: > > Joe, all I can say is Good Luck. Commercial sites are getting > difficult to get, they don't want to allow

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Choosing a Site

I have a site here ... I am in Oregon ... Neil Joe wrote: > > Greetings, all. > > I'm putting up a 900 MHz repeater. Had a site lined up, but things > have "gone South." > > So, starting from scratch: How do you choose a site? How do you > locate a commercial or government tower's ow

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Choosing a Site

At 07:31 AM 11/12/2005 -0800, you wrote: Joe, all I can say is Good Luck. Commercial sites are getting difficult to get, they don't want to allow amatuer on the towers. <---It might be worth looking to private land owners for sites. Small, secure buildings (approx 8 X 8) aren't that expensive t

[Repeater-Builder] repeater antenna connection

    Is there anything that can be applied to the inside of an antenna connection to prevent corrosion and oxidation?Kerry - WA2NAN - [EMAIL PROTECTED] YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS  Visit your group "Repeater-Builder" on the web.   To unsubscribe from this grou

[Repeater-Builder] Tuning a MSF5000 UHF repeater

Anyone have any expierience in tuning up an MSF5000 repeater. I'm taking it from 465 Mhz to 442 Mhz. Other than the filter, what else must be done? Is the exciter wide band enough as well as the receiver, or will they need to be retuned? Mathew Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit you

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Choosing a Site

Joe, all I can say is Good Luck.  Commercial sites are getting difficult to get, they don't want to allow amatuer on the towers.  I talked with three companies, and got the same response.  They require at least a 5 million dollar insurance policy, and then want at least between $400.00 to $600.0

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Solar Panel Question

You do not have to shunt solar panels, I believe. If they are producing power and are not connected to a load, so what, it does not hurt them. The controller just disconnects them.  Bernie-Original Message- From: Kevin Custer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Sent: Nov 12, 2005 7:28 AM To: Repeater-Bu

Re: [Repeater-Builder] GR1225 UHF

Yes you can! Mine receives at 446.550, and transmits at 441.550. If you receive below 444, chances are that the receive performance won't be as good as it should be. To program it, hold down the shift key and type in the frequency (let up on the shift key while typing the decimal). James o

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Solar Panel Question

Some general comments to all, and a question for Eric Eric Lemmon wrote: It's generally not a good idea to run dissimilar solar panels in parallel. Unless you are pointing the dissimilar panels in different directions However, you can do it safely if you combine their outpu

RE: [Repeater-Builder] RF Tilt Compensator Schematic?

Matt, Which way do you want to tilt it? To compensate for cable that precedes it? Does it have to be for 50 ohms, or will 75 be okay? How much power does it need to handle? Kevin Matt, Which way do you want to tilt it? To compensate for cable that precedes it? Does it have to be for 50 o

[Repeater-Builder] GR1225 UHF

Hello, Can you program the GR1225 out of band at 442.700mhz? Thanks, Chris Colquhoun Aiea, HI Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED

[Repeater-Builder] Choosing a Site

Greetings, all. I'm putting up a 900 MHz repeater. Had a site lined up, but things have "gone South." So, starting from scratch: How do you choose a site? How do you locate a commercial or government tower's owners and pitch your proposal? Appreciate any advice. 73 Joe Yahoo! Grou