Re: [Repeater-Builder] Control Link

2008-05-17 Thread MCH
But the users at the control points transmit. In WPA, such links are coordinated for a particular radius in which the station is "coordinated". It helps assure that the receiver does not receive interference from other such links. Joe M. Kris Kirby wrote: > On Sat, 17 May 2008, Ron Wright wrot

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Control Link

2008-05-17 Thread MCH
There is no specifics for AUX in the WPA bandplan (on purpose). People using SkyCommand and the like are encouraged to use the 145.510 - 145.670 MHz segment on a SNP basis. Joe M. Mike Besemer (WM4B) wrote: > Ron, > > > > Have you seen any sort of bandplan for auxiliary operation on 2 meter

Re: [Repeater-Builder] coordination?

2008-05-17 Thread MCH
Hmmpf... to sit hear and be insulted... calling me an attorney... sheesh. ;-P (no disrespect to the law professionals on the list). I'm not one of them (other than knowing my responsibilities and rights), and I didn't even stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night. But, I am in a different chain

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Control Link

2008-05-17 Thread Ron Wright
Kris, I think the issue for aux stn is that there is a tx in the system and the rcvr is the designated end of the transmission. You are correct the receiver does not need coordination. The freq of the tx does not need coordination, but as with a repeater if it is coordinated it has interfe

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2008-05-17 Thread Camilo So
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RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Dayton

2008-05-17 Thread n9wys
Skipp, sorry I missed you today - I didn't check my e-mail before leaving this morning. If I get back there tomorrow, I'll try to look you up.. but I:m not sure if we're coming back on the AM. I need to be home in Chicago by 2PM for my youngest daughter's High School graduation. Mark - N9WYS

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Control Link

2008-05-17 Thread Paul Plack
Kris, Whatever transmitter you use for the control link becomes an aux station during the time you use it for control, even if it's the same mobile rig you just used for a rag chew before shutting the repeater down. The receiver has nothing to do with the transmitter's definition as an aux stat

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Control Link

2008-05-17 Thread Paul Plack
Ralph, You need to geta newer copy of part 97! Sec. 97.201 Auxiliary station "(b) An auxiliary station may transmit only on the 2 m and shorter wavelength bands, except the 144.0-144.5 MHz, 145.8-146.0 MHz, 219-220 MHz, 222.00-222.15 MHz, 431-433 MHz, and 435-438 MHz segments." The term

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Control Link

2008-05-17 Thread Kris Kirby
On Sat, 17 May 2008, Ron Wright wrote: > ??97.213 Telecommand of an amateur station. If radio, the control > link must use an auxiliary station. > > This says it all. A control link for controlling a repeater by radio > is an auxiliary station. Also in 97.201 the freq coordination for Aux

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Control Link

2008-05-17 Thread Ron Wright
§97.213 Telecommand of an amateur station. If radio, the control link must use an auxiliary station. This says it all. A control link for controlling a repeater by radio is an auxiliary station. Also in 97.201 the freq coordination for Aux stations follows similar to repeaters. If int

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Control Link

2008-05-17 Thread Mike Besemer (WM4B)
Thanks Paul… you reaffirmed what I was thinking. My apologies for bringing the debate to the list… if anybody wants to contact me off list, I’d appreciate the insight. Mike WM4B From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paul Plack Sent: Saturday, M

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Control Link

2008-05-17 Thread Paul Plack
Mike, This may be one of those creative local interpretations embraced by some coordinators who wish to create a "gray area" after finding the black-and-white of the regs too confining. Or, in this case, too liberating - looks like they want to fight the FCC on having 2M aux frequencies used fo

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Control Link

2008-05-17 Thread Mike Besemer (WM4B)
Help me out here guys. The following piece of information came from our coordinating body: To: Mike Besemer (WM4B) Subject: Re: Control Link/Repeater Linking There is much confusion and disagreement between hams as to what is legal in part 97. If you search the SERA band plan you wil

Re: [Repeater-Builder] FCC Denies Petition to Utilize 2m Sub-Band for Digital

2008-05-17 Thread Ron Wright
Nate wrote: - Runs hot on high power. Hot enough it's uncomfortable. - If powered externally with too high a voltage, the rig drops down to about 300 mW of output power, even though you're in the range specified by Icom. (Try it sometime on the workbench with a dummy load hooked up. Very inter

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Control Link

2008-05-17 Thread Ron Wright
Mike, Our Florida council recommends in their band plan for AUX stations the simplex segments including like 430 and 445-447. I don't think they do any coordination for anything other than repeaters. They just try to give recommendations since in law I don't think their coordination would

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: DSTAR / DIGITAL / FCC Denies Petition to Utilize 2m Sub-Band for Digital

2008-05-17 Thread Ron Wright
Nate, My thoughts on putting 2 D* repeaters in one analog UHF channel (I don't like the word channel in Ham Radio, but guess I need to get over it) is since 25 kHz spacing and D* occuping 6+ kHz then say taking 444.250 ch, putting one D* at 444.24375 and one at 444.25625 (the D* rigs will tu

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Control Link

2008-05-17 Thread Ron Wright
Mike, Yes 2 meters can be used for aux stations. Normally the repeater freq, but also 145.5-145.8. 73, ron, n9ee/r Ron Wright, N9EE 727-376-6575 MICRO COMPUTER CONCEPTS Owner 146.64 repeater Tampa Bay, FL No tone, all are welcome. On Fri, May 16, 2008 at 8:16 PM, Mike Besemer (WM4

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Control Link

2008-05-17 Thread Mike Besemer (WM4B)
Ron, Have you seen any sort of bandplan for auxiliary operation on 2 meters besides what’s in Part 97? I’m in conversation with SERA now, but haven’t received an answer on that question yet. Mike WM4B From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of R

Re: [Repeater-Builder] coordination?

2008-05-17 Thread Ron Wright
Joe, Spoken just like a real attorney, hi. Very well spoken. Remote base is used in comm, but not sure in FCC rules. Not in Part 97, but maybe in 95 or 90 where "remoted" bases are used widely. So it might have a FCC definition somewhere. However, any attorney will tell you certain words

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Control Link

2008-05-17 Thread Ron Wright
The rules did state what frequencies could be used for control. It was the same as AUXILARY frequencies. Recent changes did add 2 meters and included 145.5-145.8, out of the repeater band. Some started putting D* repeater in this segment thinking they could also use for repeaters. Remote

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Mototrbo Repeater Question

2008-05-17 Thread rande1
While on the subject of Mototrbo, I finally had time to "play" with our demo repeater. Am I safe to assume the Mototrbo repeater will pass all digital voice transmissions as long as the color code is the same? As long as there are two portables or mobiles with the same group list within range

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Control Link

2008-05-17 Thread Mike Besemer (WM4B)
Ug. forgot about the Echolink guys! As for Control Receivers, I think I agree with Paul's post on that. True, they don't transmit, but they are part of a closed system. I've gotta keep Part 97 in front of me for this discussion! Mike WM4B From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.co

Re: [Repeater-Builder] coordination?

2008-05-17 Thread MCH
A "remote base" is technically a "Remotely controlled station" in FCC-eeze. It's all very clearly defined in Part 97. Joe M. Paul Plack wrote: >  > Joe, > > "Semantics" implies the distinctions are trivial. If an obsolete term is > in common usage, it's a valid topic here, whether aromatic o

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Control Link

2008-05-17 Thread MCH
Don't confuse "auxiliary operaton" with a "Remotely controlled station". The latter was quite legal in 2M even before the rules change. Joe M. Nate Duehr wrote: > Mike Besemer (WM4B) wrote: >> Speaking of which, if I read it correctly, 2-meters is now available for >> auxiliary stations. Anybo

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Control Link

2008-05-17 Thread Paul Plack
"It's not really related to control receivers, since they don't transmit." Ahh...but it is. If you transmit a command to a control receiver, you are technically in auxiliary operation. Convoluted, I know, but it goes all the way back to the old "block diagram" days at the candy company. ;^) 73,

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Control Link

2008-05-17 Thread Nate Duehr
Mike Besemer (WM4B) wrote: > Speaking of which, if I read it correctly, 2-meters is now available for > auxiliary stations. Anybody dared try it yet? A couple of hundred EchoLink and IRLP simplex node owners, even prior to the law change? Or anyone who was in-band linking VHF repeaters? FM 2m