Re: [Repeater-Builder] DB-224 patterns on side of tower.

2009-07-02 Thread Paul Plack
- Original Message - From: Jeff DePolo To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, July 02, 2009 7:39 AM Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] DB-224 patterns on side of tower. ...that's gain realized due to compression of the elevation pattern. We're tal

RE: [Repeater-Builder] DB-224 patterns on side of tower.

2009-07-02 Thread Fred Seamans
--- On Tue, 6/30/09, tahrens301 wrote: From: tahrens301 Subject: [Repeater-Builder] DB-224 patterns on side of tower. To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, June 30, 2009, 2:35 PM Hi Folks, We are putting up the DB-224 on the side of the tower, which is one of those large 3 legged

RE: [Repeater-Builder] DB-224 patterns on side of tower.

2009-07-02 Thread Jeff DePolo
> The gain figures I quoted are dBd reference the dipole > mounted in place of the DB-224 before the test. The > Scientific Atlanta turntable was connected to a circular > strip chart and the amplitude measurements were recorded > directly to the strip chart which was submitted. The > turnta

RE: [Repeater-Builder] DB-224 patterns on side of tower.

2009-07-02 Thread Jeff DePolo
> Jeff, > > Do I understand you to then also reject the idea that an > omnidirectional colinear antenna, top-mounted on a basic > metal pole, is bogus to claim 6 dBd gain in all directions at > the same time? Nope, I didn't say that at all. > The convention is to measure gain at the horizo

Re: [Repeater-Builder] DB-224 patterns on side of tower.

2009-07-02 Thread Paul Plack
] DB-224 patterns on side of tower. I'm not trying to pick a fight here, but this seems to defy the laws of physics. There would have to be nulls that were quite deep elsewhere in the pattern aside from the four azimuths you cited if those values were indeed valid. .

RE: [Repeater-Builder] DB-224 patterns on side of tower.

2009-07-01 Thread Jim Brown
es from to make the extra 3 dB gain, as it obviously comes from the 3 dB reduction in gain on the back side of the tower compared to an omni antenna. 73 - JimĀ  W5ZIT --- On Wed, 7/1/09, Jeff DePolo wrote: From: Jeff DePolo Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] DB-224 patterns on side of tower. To

Re: [Repeater-Builder] DB-224 patterns on side of tower.

2009-07-01 Thread Jim Brown
: Jim Brown To: Repeater-Builder@ yahoogroups. com Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2009 6:46 PM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] DB-224 patterns on side of tower. Back when we had to submit an antenna pattern in order to get a repeater license for the ham bands, I mounted four elements of a DB-224 dir

RE: [Repeater-Builder] DB-224 patterns on side of tower.

2009-07-01 Thread Jeff DePolo
> Their sample pattern when side-mounted on a tower shows 9 dBd > forward gain and -2 dBd off the back away from the tower, > again with all elements in a line. That may be getting > closer to being realistic. Err...upon closer look (zooming in on the PDF)...it's more like -3 to -4 dBd off the

RE: [Repeater-Builder] DB-224 patterns on side of tower.

2009-07-01 Thread Jeff DePolo
...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Chuck Kelsey > Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2009 8:31 PM > To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] DB-224 patterns on side of tower. > > > > For what it's worth, the pattern shown in the Decibel catalog >

Re: [Repeater-Builder] DB-224 patterns on side of tower.

2009-07-01 Thread Chuck Kelsey
ssage - From: "Jeff DePolo" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2009 8:11 PM Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] DB-224 patterns on side of tower. >> Back when we had to submit an antenna pattern in order to get >> a repeater license for the ham bands, I mounted four elements >> o

RE: [Repeater-Builder] DB-224 patterns on side of tower.

2009-07-01 Thread Jeff DePolo
> Back when we had to submit an antenna pattern in order to get > a repeater license for the ham bands, I mounted four elements > of a DB-224 directly on one leg of a Rhon 25 tower and > mounted the two tower sections on an antenna test pedestal > and ran the pattern. With the antenna sections

Re: [Repeater-Builder] DB-224 patterns on side of tower.

2009-07-01 Thread Chuck Kelsey
Did you do any others? I'm guessing that this was done on the Decibel antenna range, maybe? Chuck WB2EDV - Original Message - From: Jim Brown To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2009 6:46 PM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] DB-224 patterns on side of

Re: [Repeater-Builder] DB-224 patterns on side of tower.

2009-07-01 Thread Paul Plack
anything like a water tower leg, or other massive support... 73, Paul, AE4KR - Original Message - From: Jim Brown To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2009 4:46 PM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] DB-224 patterns on side of tower. Back

Re: [Repeater-Builder] DB-224 patterns on side of tower.

2009-07-01 Thread Jim Brown
, tahrens301 wrote: From: tahrens301 Subject: [Repeater-Builder] DB-224 patterns on side of tower. To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, June 30, 2009, 2:35 PM Hi Folks, We are putting up the DB-224 on the side of the tower, which

Re: [Repeater-Builder] DB-224 patterns on side of tower.

2009-06-30 Thread Jacob Suter
- > > *From:* tahrens301 <mailto:tahr...@swtexas.net> > *To:* Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com> > *Sent:* Tuesday, June 30, 2009 2:35 PM > *Subject:* [Repeater-Builder] DB-224 patterns on side of tower. > >

Re: [Repeater-Builder] DB-224 patterns on side of tower.

2009-06-30 Thread Roger White
ttern deficiencies. I can take a few pics if you would like to see how they are mounted. Roger W5RDW Murphy, Texas DFW area - Original Message - From: tahrens301 To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 2:35 PM Subject: [Repeater-Builder] DB-224 patterns on

Re: [Repeater-Builder] DB-224 patterns on side of tower.

2009-06-30 Thread Jim WB5OXQ inb Waco, TX
2009 2:35 PM Subject: [Repeater-Builder] DB-224 patterns on side of tower. Hi Folks, We are putting up the DB-224 on the side of the tower, which is one of those large 3 legged towers. (like you see at microwave & telephone sites). I have the DB-products data sheet on the 224

[Repeater-Builder] DB-224 patterns on side of tower.

2009-06-30 Thread tahrens301
Hi Folks, We are putting up the DB-224 on the side of the tower, which is one of those large 3 legged towers. (like you see at microwave & telephone sites). I have the DB-products data sheet on the 224, and it has some plots for side mounting on the tower. The plot in question is the 224E (all