RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Duplexer retune / recoax

2006-01-21 Thread no6b
At 1/21/2006 18:18, you wrote: >Dave, > >That's when a good network analyzer's dynamic range really is important. >With a DR in excess of 125 dB, the noise floor is not a factor even if >you're tuning a six-cavity duplexer with 8" or 10" cans- and there is still >the capability to increase the stim

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Duplexer retune / recoax

2006-01-21 Thread Chuck Kelsey
>http://www.seits.org/duplexer/duplexer.pdf > >73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY > >-Original Message- > > > > ---------------------------- > > Subject: > Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Duplexer retune / recoax > From:

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Duplexer retune / recoax

2006-01-21 Thread Eric Lemmon
http://www.seits.org/duplexer/duplexer.pdf 73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chuck Kelsey Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2006 6:48 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Dup

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Duplexer retune / recoax

2006-01-21 Thread Eric Lemmon
s.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeff DePolo Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2006 6:21 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Duplexer retune / recoax Well, my guess is that the high insertion loss you saw was not due to the incorrect cable lengths *be

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Duplexer retune / recoax

2006-01-21 Thread Chuck Kelsey
Eric, Can you provide links to these? Chuck WB2EDV Eric Lemmon wrote: >Jeff, > >I'll be the first to admit that reality often contradicts theory. However, >both EMR and TX-RX have published application notes which support my >statement. > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit you

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Duplexer retune / recoax

2006-01-21 Thread Jeff DePolo
> Once a new low-split harness was > purchased directly from Sinclair (about $125, as I recall) and > installed, the duplexer tuned up with the expected pass loss of > about 1.6 dB. The notch attenuation was within a dB of the previous > value, using the incorrect harness. Well, my guess is t

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Duplexer retune / recoax

2006-01-21 Thread Eric Lemmon
Dave, That's when a good network analyzer's dynamic range really is important. With a DR in excess of 125 dB, the noise floor is not a factor even if you're tuning a six-cavity duplexer with 8" or 10" cans- and there is still the capability to increase the stimulus power. Once I got used to using

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Duplexer retune / recoax

2006-01-21 Thread Eric Lemmon
: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Duplexer retune / recoax > The length of the jumper cables between the cans has a profound > effect upon the insertion loss at the pass frequency, and relatively > little effect upon the isolation at the notch freque

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Duplexer retune / recoax

2006-01-21 Thread Kevin Custer
Jeff DePolo wrote: >In contrast, for proper reject notch performance, there has to be correct >phasing between cavities. The notches are effectively shorts at the notch >frequency, and if they are not repeated at 1/2 wavelength intervals between >cavities, they will tend to not align when cavi

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Duplexer retune / recoax

2006-01-21 Thread Jeff DePolo
> The length of the jumper cables between the cans has a profound > effect upon the insertion loss at the pass frequency, and relatively > little effect upon the isolation at the notch frequency. > > 73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY Eric, I'm curious why you say this, as it contradicts what I would be

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Duplexer retune / recoax

2006-01-21 Thread Eric Lemmon
PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Duplexer retune / recoax All this discussion about duplexer tuning and cabling is making me wonder if I should not order a duplexer for the TKR-750 and just use separate TX and RX antennas. Most repeaters, of course, op

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Duplexer retune / recoax

2006-01-21 Thread Steve Bosshard
Some time back I worked with a 155 Mhz Sinclair Duplexer in the 2M band. I could not get the notches to tune properly, so I added a Type N elbow in one leg of the circuit. This made the coaxial jumper about 1" longer (bungee coax) and solved a problem. I would be much surprised if cables were an

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Duplexer retune / recoax

2006-01-21 Thread no6b
At 1/20/2006 21:27, you wrote: >All this discussion about duplexer tuning and cabling is making me >wonder if I should not order a duplexer for the TKR-750 and just use >separate TX and RX antennas. Most repeaters, of course, operate on a >specific frequency pair but, since mine will be mobile and

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Duplexer retune / recoax

2006-01-21 Thread no6b
At 1/21/2006 04:48, you wrote: >If you use UHF male connectors, I don't know where you >measure from. I believe it would be the same as for the male Ns (tip to tip). That puts your signal just inside the can, where the loop should be. Bob NO6B Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your gr

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Duplexer retune / recoax

2006-01-21 Thread Bob M.
That's EXACTLY what the radio world has been needing for decades: bungee coax. We already have lossy coax, and leaky coax. We definitely need "stretchy" coax. That would make the circle complete. I love it. You should send that suggestion to Andrew or maybe even Belden. Make sure the cable you end

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Duplexer retune / recoax

2006-01-21 Thread Paul Yonge
All this discussion about duplexer tuning and cabling is making me wonder if I should not order a duplexer for the TKR-750 and just use separate TX and RX antennas. Most repeaters, of course, operate on a specific frequency pair but, since mine will be mobile and could be set up anywhere,

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Duplexer retune / recoax

2006-01-20 Thread no6b
At 1/20/2006 19:16, you wrote: > > The length of the jumper cables between the cans has a profound >effect upon > > the insertion loss at the pass frequency, and relatively little >effect upon > > the isolation at the notch frequency. > >Which brings up a fun question.. >How do you know what the r

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Duplexer retune / recoax

2006-01-20 Thread Eric Lemmon
Dave, The vast majority of duplexers will work pretty well with the cables close to the right length. After all, Sinclair offers only two cable harnesses for their Q-202G BpBr duplexers- one for the 136-150 MHz split, and the other for the 150-174 MHz split. I may not have the splits correct, bu

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Duplexer retune / recoax

2006-01-20 Thread Eric Lemmon
be excessive.  YMMV.   73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andrew G.Sent: Friday, January 20, 2006 11:32 AMTo: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.comSubject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Duplexer retune / recoax Have you tested it

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Duplexer retune / recoax

2006-01-20 Thread Andrew G.
Have you tested it into a dummy load? If you were able to achieve a decent amount of isolation on a service monitor, then I wouldn't think you would need to go through the trouble of re-cabling itJust a thought..   Andy Yahoo! Photos Ring in the New Year with Photo Calendars. Add ph