Re: Rietveld condamnation considered as established by some more people

2023-08-17 Thread Toby, Brian H.
My personal feelings are that regardless of the origin of the idea, Hugo did the work that made crystallographic full pattern fitting possible. That implementation was not just a “programming task” as the minimal capabilities of computers of the day required significant innovation for memory

RE: Rietveld condamnation considered as established by some more people

2023-08-17 Thread Mike Glazer
My review of Mittemeijer’s book seems to have excited interest in the history of the “Rietveld” method. I, myself, recall using Alan’s modified program (incorporating anisotropic displacement parameters, a welcome addition) in the early days and I saw that many Rietveld programs also

Re: Rietveld condamnation considered as established by some more people

2023-08-17 Thread Alan W Hewat
Dear Luca. Since I administer the Rietveld mailing list, I could have changed the name years ago when Van Laar and Schenk published their history, with which I largely sympathise. I didn't, because everyone now calls it "Rietveld Refinement", a name invented by Terry Sabine, who worked with

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2023-08-17 Thread daniel . toebbens
I am currently travelling and thus out of office until September 2nd. I will check my emails periodically, but it might take a day or two. If you happen to be at the IUCr come and meet me there!   ++ Please do NOT attach files to the

Re: Rietveld condamnation considered as established by some more people

2023-08-17 Thread Luca Lutterotti
Given the involvement of Alan in the early days I would be confident to trust his view. So why we don't try to fix a bit the mistake. We could: - start renaming this list as Loopstra-Rietveld list ;-) ( I would keep the name Rietveld in hit, first who got the idea, second the programmer) -

Re: Rietveld condamnation considered as established by some more people

2023-08-17 Thread Alan W Hewat
Armel, it's not about you :-) But in your 1988 paper you did not reference Pawley (1980) and even Rietveld only appeared as #14 https://www.researchgate.net/publication/228084768_Ab_Initio_Structure_Determination_of_LiSbWO6_by_X_ray_Powder_Diffraction#fullTextFileContent But let's not change the

Re: Rietveld condamnation considered as established by some more people

2023-08-17 Thread Robert Gould
It's a widespread phenomenon. What about America being named for Vespucii rather than Columbus? On Thu, 17 Aug 2023, 11:49 Le Bail Armel, wrote: > >And there are other examples. See this brief review of "Whole Pattern > Fitting - The Pawley Method" (1980) yet few people now attribute this kind

Re: Rietveld condamnation considered as established by some more people

2023-08-17 Thread Le Bail Armel
>And there are other examples. See this brief review of "Whole Pattern Fitting - The Pawley Method" (1980) yet few people now attribute this kind of profile refinement to Pawley. http://pd.chem.ucl.ac.uk/pdnn/solve1/pawley.htmFew people ? At least me