Re: [Rife-users] A couple of questions before starting with RIFE

2005-12-05 Thread Geert Bevin
Hi Oliver, welcome on the list! (we already chatted a bit on IRC) I`currently working on my Bachelor Thesis in Computer Science and use RIFE as the Target Framework for an MDSD (Model Driven Software Development) Tool as an Eclipse Plugin. That's the interesting part ;-) The Thesis will co

Re: [Rife-users] A couple of questions before starting with RIFE

2005-12-05 Thread Oliver Dohmen
Hi, ok to make it short. I introduce myself a bit. As mentioned in my previous mail. If have some years on java development, as a fulltime developer and as a student. My focus was web development and generators in a B2B Company. Worked with Struts for some time and wrapped it in a own fr

Re: [Rife-users] A couple of questions before starting with RIFE

2005-12-05 Thread Geert Bevin
Geert did mention a book down the line; i for one won't mind contributing a few chapters to that endeavor. Cool Emmanuel, I'll keep that in mind. I postponed the book proposal for a couple of months since I'm swamped with work at the moment and the new-year festivities are coming soon. In Ja

Re: [Rife-users] A couple of questions before starting with RIFE

2005-12-05 Thread Geert Bevin
RIFE needs to get a bigger contributors/developer base. Maybe a book, some articles in the press. I think it`s better to grow slow and got instead of the quick hype that ends after two years. I have a guaranteed ticket for being published on onjava.com and theserverside.com with RIFE articl

Re: [Rife-users] A couple of questions before starting with RIFE

2005-12-05 Thread Emmanuel Okyere
> RIFE needs to get a bigger contributors/developer base. Maybe a book, > some articles in the press. I don't know how many people are quiet on the list (there are a few lists I belong to that I've never posted a single msg to) but I think, at least for the last month or so, people are slowly adop

Re: [Rife-users] A couple of questions before starting with RIFE

2005-12-05 Thread Oliver Dohmen
Hi, a short answer from a RIFE Newbie :) 1. If RIFE is really all it appears to be (e.g., a complete answer to the questions Ruby on Rails has posed to the Java community), how come it is not more widely used? It is still a very minor player (whether or not this is justified). I was wonder

Re: [Rife-users] Implementing HTTP Basic (was: Tomcat) Authentication

2005-12-05 Thread Geert Bevin
Fred, you seem to have trouble to divide the architecture in its different modules. The authentication elements just provide one a specific interface to do authentication. This has got nothing to do with the Credentials, CredentialsManager, SessionsManager and SessionValidator in interfaces

[Rife-users] Implementing HTTP Basic (was: Tomcat) Authentication

2005-12-05 Thread F Baube
Surely sendmail reeled when thusly spake Geert Bevin: > > Fred, what is important for you, to have HTTP Authentication or to > access tomcat's database? That is indeed precisely the right question to ask :) The short answer is: HTTP Authentication. The longish answer is: It appears that Rife

Re: [Rife-users] Users guide as PDF?

2005-12-05 Thread Emmanuel Okyere
Yup, just as Geert mentioned; i was going to point to http://confluence.atlassian.com/display/CONF14/Confluence+to+PDF cheers, -- eokyere On 12/5/05, Geert Bevin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > You can export anything in the wiki (included the live guide) from here: > http://rifers.org/wiki/spaces/

Re: [Rife-users] Users guide as PDF?

2005-12-05 Thread Geert Bevin
You can export anything in the wiki (included the live guide) from here: http://rifers.org/wiki/spaces/exportspace.action?key=RIFE On 5-dec-05, at 17:29, John Moore wrote: It would be handy, IMHO, if the users' guide were available as a (preferably printable) PDF. It may well be that Rife prov

RE: [Rife-users] Users guide as PDF?

2005-12-05 Thread Lars Grupe
Hi John, I think you want to have a PDF version of the new 'Live User's guide'. A pdf version of the 'Old User's guide' I have found there: http://rifers.org/wiki/display/RIFE/User's+Guide Cheers, Lars > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf

[Rife-users] Users guide as PDF?

2005-12-05 Thread John Moore
It would be handy, IMHO, if the users' guide were available as a (preferably printable) PDF. It may well be that Rife provides the facilities to do this already and it's simply a case of Geert pressing the appropriate button? If anyone has generated a PDF from the HTML and could e-mail me it,

Re: [Rife-users] A couple of questions before starting with RIFE

2005-12-05 Thread Lars Heuer
Hi, [Jython] > I haven't kept up with the recent activity, will they release an new > version soon? I guess not so soon, but there is already Jython 2.2a1. https://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=12867 Best regards, Lars -- http://semagia.com _

Re: [Rife-users] A couple of questions before starting with RIFE

2005-12-05 Thread John Moore
First of all, an answer as thorough, thoughtful and well-argued as this goes a long way towards convincing me. His response: "I think that's a very precise analysis. As long as people are in denial of a world outside, Struts will seem like the only way. And a rebel framework like RIFE stan

Re: [Rife-users] A couple of questions before starting with RIFE

2005-12-05 Thread John Moore
Eddy Young wrote: However, as strange as this may sound, I think its Belgian origins also have something to do with its lack of popularity. I think that the IT industry in the US is driven by hype, and since most of it originates from the US, a Belgian web framework does not get to be in the

Re: [Rife-users] A couple of questions before starting with RIFE

2005-12-05 Thread Eddy Young
John Moore wrote: I'm encouraged that Jython seems to be showing signs of renewed life (it was falling way behind C Python), as I have really come to like Python for certain kinds of work and the thought of being able to use it in RIFE is appealing. Incidentally, one of the tasks I've been assi

Re: [Rife-users] localized login template

2005-12-05 Thread Geert Bevin
Not a real howto, but this explains it a bit: http://rifers.org/wiki/display/RIFE/IoC+support http://rifers.org/wiki/display/RIFE/IoC+properties+support+inside +the +repository In this 2d link, the exemple is about a datasource instance created through a property "datasource" using partici

Re: [Rife-users] A couple of questions before starting with RIFE

2005-12-05 Thread Geert Bevin
It's OK, I'm aware of this. By "a complete answer to the questions Ruby on Rails has posed to the Java community", I mean a full-stack framework which has the advantages of comprehensiveness, integration and ease-of-use which people praise in Rails - I wasn't suggesting that the framework it

Re: [Rife-users] A couple of questions before starting with RIFE

2005-12-05 Thread Geert Bevin
Thanks a lot Emmanuel, it's nice to hear how someone got into using RIFE from scratch. Apart from a few extensions you have to make of the Rife classes to take advantage of some Rife features, such as Rife's validation implementations, the framework assumes very little about your code. I sti

Re: [Rife-users] localized login template

2005-12-05 Thread Raoul Pierre
Geert, either instantiate it at each use. This can then be injected into a property. We still need to add simple reference factory features to RIFE itself currently it delegates that to a repository participant can you give me a link to any howto. Not a real howto, but this explain

Re: [Rife-users] A couple of questions before starting with RIFE

2005-12-05 Thread Emmanuel Okyere
Let me just add that, once you know java, the learning curve is not that steep; it took me about 2 weeks of on/off playing around with the framework to finally "get it". My personal path was: 1. I read and understood the basic building blocks for templates... value(v), block (B, BV), include (I) [

Re: [Rife-users] A couple of questions before starting with RIFE

2005-12-05 Thread John Moore
Geert Bevin wrote: 1. If RIFE is really all it appears to be (e.g., a complete answer to the questions Ruby on Rails has posed to the Java community), how come it is not more widely used? It is still a very minor player (whether or not this is justified). I was wondering why this might be

Re: [Rife-users] A couple of questions before starting with RIFE

2005-12-05 Thread Geert Bevin
1. If RIFE is really all it appears to be (e.g., a complete answer to the questions Ruby on Rails has posed to the Java community), how come it is not more widely used? It is still a very minor player (whether or not this is justified). I was wondering why this might be. Could it be to do w

Re: [Rife-users] localized login template

2005-12-05 Thread Geert Bevin
No, if they are injected through IoC, the reference factory can either provide the LocalProvider as a singleton, singleton: is there no risk of confusion between 2 or more elements from different threads? Not with the interface I proposed: List getLocales(ElementSupport) since each thread

Re: [Rife-users] localized login template

2005-12-05 Thread Raoul Pierre
Geert, Since it should not store the element instance in the LocaleProvider instance. The instance will be constructor through IoC and the element instance is not known in that context. It's also much more appropriate since the element instance changes at each request, and otherwise

Re: [Rife-users] A couple of questions before starting with RIFE

2005-12-05 Thread Geert Bevin
Hi John, 1. If RIFE is really all it appears to be (e.g., a complete answer to the questions Ruby on Rails has posed to the Java community), how come it is not more widely used? It is still a very minor player (whether or not this is justified). I was wondering why this might be. Could it

Re: [Rife-users] A couple of questions before starting with RIFE

2005-12-05 Thread Eddy Young
John Moore wrote: As I've spent a long time trying to ensure that the set of web technologies I work with next are the right ones, I have a couple of questions about RIFE which I'd like to hear people's responses to. The questions are not meant in any way as a troll, or as an attempt to dispar

[Rife-users] A couple of questions before starting with RIFE

2005-12-05 Thread John Moore
As I've spent a long time trying to ensure that the set of web technologies I work with next are the right ones, I have a couple of questions about RIFE which I'd like to hear people's responses to. The questions are not meant in any way as a troll, or as an attempt to disparage - I am just exp

Re: [Rife-users] localized login template

2005-12-05 Thread Geert Bevin
Since it should not store the element instance in the LocaleProvider instance. The instance will be constructor through IoC and the element instance is not known in that context. It's also much more appropriate since the element instance changes at each request, and otherwise you'd ha

Re: [Rife-users] localized login template

2005-12-05 Thread Raoul Pierre
Geert No, it will be a property, you can set properties inside the tag that will be used throughout the system. You can override them in the site structure or for individual elements. [...] Since it should not store the element instance in the LocaleProvider instance. The instance wil

Re: [Rife-users] Tomcat Authentication (was: WebDAV Methods, Sniffing, Authentication)

2005-12-05 Thread Geert Bevin
Fred, what is important for you, to have HTTP Authentiation or to access tomcat's database? I would implement HTTP Authentication using RIFE'd RoleUser credentials and authentication session managers. This gives you container independence and easy migration in case you need it. On 4-dec-0