Re: discussion regarding adding settings (PLEASE add your 2 cents)

2008-10-29 Thread Paul Louden
Roy Wallace wrote: I agree, but I think the goal of this thread is to clarify for some people exactly how important binary size is, by coming to a compromise, a consensus, so as to avoid having the same argument repeatedly on a case by case basis. Since the original message in this wasn't e

Re: discussion regarding adding settings (PLEASE add your 2 cents)

2008-10-29 Thread Roy Wallace
On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 6:35 PM, Daniel Stenberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > This is also true if X is 'call the binsize card too often'. > > Thus, it doesn't matter if we agree on this X or not... > I agree, but I think the goal of this thread is to clarify for some people exactly how important

Re: menu reorganising discussion

2008-10-29 Thread Jonathan Gordon
Marcs layout is good but I don't think goes far enough to fix the problems. 2008/10/30 pondlife <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > OK - some input: - all IMHO: so without that disclaimer you usually talk in your dishonest opinion? :D > > 3) Maybe I'm misunderstanding rows 8-21 but why have the sound settings

Re: funman: r18926 - in trunk: bootloader firmware firmware/target/arm/as3525

2008-10-29 Thread Rafaël Carré
On Wed, Oct 29, 2008, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Date: 2008-10-29 21:21:59 +0100 (Wed, 29 Oct 2008) > New Revision: 18926 > > Log Message: > Embryo of a SD driver for Sansav2 > > Debug code included, needed until the bootloader is ready > > Added: >trunk/firmware/target/arm/as3525/mmci.h I

Re: [PATCH] Building ARM cross compiler on ubuntu 8.10

2008-10-29 Thread Nils
> > > Maybe it's time we consider upgrading binutils? That should not bring any > major issues (tm) and has the added bonus of including amiconn's fix for a > gas bug hitting coldfire. It is also a requirement for building gcc =< 4.3 > for coldfire (without patches). > > nils > Forgot to mention t

Re: [PATCH] Building ARM cross compiler on ubuntu 8.10

2008-10-29 Thread Nils
On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 4:58 PM, Rafaël Carré <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: > Hello, > > Here is the 2 patches I needed in order to build binutils and gcc with > rockboxdev.sh > > The patch for binutils is needed for correct runtime: arm-elf-ar would > build but crash because of a buffer overflow. > >

Re: menu reorganising discussion

2008-10-29 Thread Nils
On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 4:41 PM, pondlife <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > 5) We already have four ways to see the time - the status bar, the info > screen, the clock plugin, setting the time. Of these, only the info screen > currently talks, but I don't see any need for a fifth time/date screen. >

[PATCH] Building ARM cross compiler on ubuntu 8.10

2008-10-29 Thread Rafaël Carré
Hello, Here is the 2 patches I needed in order to build binutils and gcc with rockboxdev.sh The patch for binutils is needed for correct runtime: arm-elf-ar would build but crash because of a buffer overflow. -- Rafaël Carré diff -ru binutils-2.16.1.orig/bfd/archive.c binutils-2.16.1/bfd/archiv

Re: menu reorganising discussion

2008-10-29 Thread pondlife
OK - some input: - all IMHO: 1) It would be better if you could document the changes, rather than just a new layout - evolution not revolution and all that.. 2) I'll be happy to see the back of "General Settings" , and the use of "System" in two places in the menu tree. 3) Maybe I'm misunderst

Re: menu reorganising discussion

2008-10-29 Thread pondlife
Hi Jonathan, I really like the layout that Marc Guay et al have come up in http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WebHome?topic=MenuLayoutDiscussion. It's not too radical, but definitely an improvement on what we have IMHO. It's not that easy to compare with your spreadsheet (which is indee

Re: Speeding up plugin builds?

2008-10-29 Thread Nils
Joseph, you can remove some of the larger plugins like doom from apps/plugins/SUBDIRS in your tree to save on compiling time.

Re: discussion regarding adding settings (PLEASE add your 2 cents)

2008-10-29 Thread Daniel Stenberg
On Wed, 29 Oct 2008, Paul Louden wrote: I'd also like to challenge anyone here to find three features that were actually rejected with "binary size" being the cause. And I also would like to remind you all that: it doesn't matter Each feature is taken on case by case so just shouting

Re: discussion regarding adding settings (PLEASE add your 2 cents)

2008-10-29 Thread Paul Louden
Linus Nielsen Feltzing wrote: Let me chime in with my $0.02. I think that the binsize isn't *that* important for the battery life. If a feature adds 10Kbytes to the binary, it means 10Kbytes less buffering memory. That is hardly measurable at all, only a few frames of an MP3 file. Remember

Re: discussion regarding adding settings (PLEASE add your 2 cents)

2008-10-29 Thread Linus Nielsen Feltzing
Paul Louden wrote: That means less useful features should be considered critically even if they have small binsize costs, just because they're useful to only an exceptionally small group. They're a dilution of the total "usefulness density." Let me chime in with my $0.02. I think that the binsi

Re: discussion regarding adding settings (PLEASE add your 2 cents)

2008-10-29 Thread Roy Wallace
On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 12:58 PM, Paul Louden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > This again is a false comparison. The WWW doesn't have resource > restrictions in the same manner as Rockbox. Assume the internet became > slower for everyone, the instant any website was put up. Were this the case > there