RE: Irc Channel

2007-11-05 Thread Daniel Brenden
I did a brief overlook at the rockbox site, but i did not find anything so i thougt i should ask on the mailing list, the dumb thing is that i sent one to the dev list instead. I hope i've not spammed the mail list down by doing this. i appolegize for the trouble this may have caused An emberas

Re: Irc Channel

2007-10-06 Thread Peter D'Hoye
ECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andrew Free Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2007 12:58 AM To: Rockbox development Subject: [Spam][100.0%] Re: Irc Channel hello.. i dont know why you would ask me this i dont now about this but try thishttp://www.rockbox.org/irc/cgiirc/irc.cgi On

Re: Irc Channel

2007-10-05 Thread Andrew Free
hello.. i dont know why you would ask me this i dont now about this but try thishttp://www.rockbox.org/irc/cgiirc/irc.cgi On Oct 5, 2007, at 9:52 AM, Daniel Brenden wrote: Hi :) I was wondering if there is an java-based irc-client i can use in order to acess the #Rockbox channel. Any s

Irc Channel

2007-10-05 Thread Daniel Brenden
Hi :) I was wondering if there is an java-based irc-client i can use in order to acess the #Rockbox channel. Any suggestions? i would gladly appreciate some help.Daniel G BrendenRockbox user for 8 months since jan 2007 _ Sjekk ut

Re: IRC channel

2007-09-20 Thread Martin Arver
way Rockbox-devs share information, communicate with users and newbies. I would very much like the irc-channel to stay this way. I believe that noise and off-topic conversations will appear in every channel regardless how they are organised. And it's nice to be met by friendly developers and users

Re: IRC channel

2007-09-20 Thread Bryan Childs
On 9/20/07, Austin Appel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > So is it generally thought that I should be stricter then? Yeah. You should change your nick to scorche-meaniepants

RE: IRC channel

2007-09-20 Thread Austin Appel
>well, it could of course be used only if you're using the web client >and have not registered to freenode -- or is something like this too >hard to implement? > >Otoh, I'm not sure if this is really necessary if we enforce the rules >more strictly. It could be implemented using a bot and a voicin

Re: IRC channel

2007-09-20 Thread Dominik Riebeling
> The only way to ensure the rules are read is to introduce an IRC > CAPTCHA. This would require the user to have read the rules, and then > respond to an automated question posed by a bot to them when they > first enter the channel. Only when they respond with the correct > answer (presumably some

Re: IRC channel

2007-09-20 Thread Bryan Childs
> The rules are already pretty tight and are *supposed* to be read before > speaking, but do you have any suggestions for changing them? > http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/IrcGuidelines The only way to ensure the rules are read is to introduce an IRC CAPTCHA. This would require the user to have read th

RE: IRC channel

2007-09-20 Thread Austin Appel
>Maybe the rules need a little tightening first? Could we have the same >rules for support on both IRC and the forums? Enough to say that you >should RTFM before asking a question. The rules are already pretty tight and are *supposed* to be read before speaking, but do you have any suggestions fo

Re: IRC channel

2007-09-20 Thread Dave Chapman
I'm also strongly in favour of keeping a single channel - I'm not that annoyed by off-topic chat (I can easily ignore it), and very much like the fact that the Rockbox community is one where there is no strong distinction between devs and users - every user is encouraged to help themselves and cont

Re: IRC channel

2007-09-20 Thread pondlife
> I would think we have a decent amount of ops to cover all times already. If > you wish for me (and other ops) to be stricter, just say so. I already feel > that I am sometimes quite too soft on people (such as DWGR who is now > banned), but I prefer that to being a "jerk". Like I said though...

Re: IRC channel

2007-09-20 Thread pondlife
> How do you measure "infrequently" ? I don't - without logs it's not easy to. All I know is that on the occasions I've been in there (not many, granted), I've only seen tumbleweed. -- pondlife

Re: IRC channel

2007-09-20 Thread Linus Nielsen Feltzing
Daniel Stenberg wrote: Splitting "users" from "devs" (even the distinction is wierd) will just risk that either users sit in a channel where not enough devs are so they won't get the help they seek, or they come to the dev channel to ask the questions since there's where the devs are etc. And

Re: IRC channel

2007-09-20 Thread RaZorbacK
ore channel ops around and kick them for not following the protocols - i.e. a more strict police force. personnally, i'm not a developper, just an user. I've subscribed to this list, because i'm interested in building voice files and translating and I wanted to learn more. Even toug

Re: IRC channel

2007-09-20 Thread Bryan Childs
back on topic, I'm going to abstain. I don't mind which road we go down. Like Austin, I don't find having another IRC channel open very difficult to manage at all - but equally I don't mind just ignoring the numbskulls in #rockbox either.

Re: IRC channel

2007-09-20 Thread Daniel Stenberg
On Wed, 19 Sep 2007, Austin Appel wrote: It seems that we have had a big surge in "annoyances" in #rockbox lately. To put it short, do people think the time has come where we need to move to the split model? In my view we're far from a situation where that is needed, and thus I am against it

RE: IRC channel

2007-09-20 Thread Austin Appel
Dominik Riebeling wrote: >While I'm in favor of cutting down the noise in #rockbox let me >propose a slightly different approach: why not just keep #rockbox for >development and extended support and direct all new users to >#rockbox-community and provice "basic" support there? I.e. just make >cgi::

Re: IRC channel

2007-09-19 Thread pondlife
I would also *strongly* prefer a single channel. I have not found the "user helping" aspect annoying, and it's sometimes useful to stimulate development ideas. If people are annoying, then a quick RTFM response is perfectly acceptable; if they continue to annoy, why not have a few more channel o

RE: IRC channel

2007-09-19 Thread Peter D'Hoye
> It seems that we have had a big surge in “annoyances” > in #rockbox lately. To put it short, do people think > the time has come where we need to move to the split model? > #rockbox (for support), #rockbox-dev (for development), > #rockbox-community (for offtopic and social). All channels > cur

Re: IRC channel

2007-09-19 Thread Dominik Riebeling
On 9/20/07, Austin Appel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > To put it short, do people think the time has come where we need to move to > the split model? #rockbox (for support), #rockbox-dev (for development), > #rockbox-community (for offtopic and social) While I'm in favor of cutting down the noise

Re: IRC channel

2007-09-19 Thread Jens Arnold
On 20.09.2007, Austin Appel wrote: > It seems that we have had a big surge in "annoyances" in > #rockbox lately. To put it short, do people think the time has > come where we need to move to the split model? #rockbox (for > support), #rockbox-dev (for development), #rockbox-community I never expe

Re: IRC channel

2007-09-19 Thread Jonathan Gordon
On 20/09/2007, Paul Louden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > -dev will have the addition of no support questions unless they relate to > > > the act of compiling/adding code/developing in general > > > > > no support questions at all in -dev... especially not asking for help > > compiling and fixing

Re: IRC channel

2007-09-19 Thread Paul Louden
> > -dev will have the addition of no support questions unless they relate to > > the act of compiling/adding code/developing in general > > > no support questions at all in -dev... especially not asking for help > compiling and fixing patches. I think -dev would need to be semi-flexible. For examp

Re: IRC channel

2007-09-19 Thread Jonathan Gordon
On 20/09/2007, Austin Appel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > -dev will have the addition of no support questions unless they relate to > the act of compiling/adding code/developing in general > no support questions at all in -dev... especially not asking for help compiling and fixing patches. > The fe

RE: IRC channel

2007-09-19 Thread Austin Appel
>another point to remember... the webclient blocks all channels other >than #rockbox, so that would need fixing Indeed. That is a simple fix in the cgiirc.config file though.

RE: IRC channel

2007-09-19 Thread Austin Appel
In this model, I would imagine we should log both #rockbox and #rockbox-dev and place both on the /irc portion of the site. I don't know what changes would need to be made to logbot, but I can forsee the Swedes figuring something out ;). All guidelines will stand for all channels with a few excep

Re: IRC channel

2007-09-19 Thread Jonathan Gordon
On 20/09/2007, Jonas Häggqvist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Austin Appel wrote: > > It seems that we have had a big surge in "annoyances" in #rockbox > > lately. To put it short, do people think the time has come where we > > need to move to the split model? #rockbox (for support), #rockbox-dev >

Re: IRC channel

2007-09-19 Thread Jonas Häggqvist
Austin Appel wrote: > It seems that we have had a big surge in "annoyances" in #rockbox > lately. To put it short, do people think the time has come where we > need to move to the split model? #rockbox (for support), #rockbox-dev > (for development), #rockbox-community (for offtopic and social).

Re: IRC channel

2007-09-19 Thread Jonathan Gordon
On 20/09/2007, Austin Appel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > It seems that we have had a big surge in "annoyances" in #rockbox lately. > To put it short, do people think the time has come where we need to move to > the split model? #rockbox (for support), #rockbox-dev (for development), > #rockb

Re: IRC channel

2007-09-19 Thread Paul Louden
And also provides for keeping the logs more full of development chat, and less full of repetitions of the "read the manual" directive. >

IRC channel

2007-09-19 Thread Austin Appel
It seems that we have had a big surge in "annoyances" in #rockbox lately. To put it short, do people think the time has come where we need to move to the split model? #rockbox (for support), #rockbox-dev (for development), #rockbox-community (for offtopic and social). All channels currently exist