Re: [rspec-users] [Cucumber:4066] Cucumber vs, RSpec

2010-04-22 Thread Zach Dennis
I just got back from the Great Lakes Ruby Bash. They had several good presentations, two specific to BDD and Cucumber. I also talked to several CEOs and devs afterwards, and the overall takeaway I gathered was a shift to less RSpec and more Cucumber. Some people even claimed a 90/10 split

Re: [rspec-users] [Cucumber:4066] Cucumber vs, RSpec

2010-04-22 Thread Ed Howland
+1 BTW, here is the URL for his talk: http://www.benmabey.com/2009/03/14/slides-from-outside-in-development-with-cucumber/ It is back in the webrat days (pre-capybara). And the World() method is simpler nowadays. Cheers, Ed Ed Howland http://greenprogrammer.wordpress.com

Re: [rspec-users] [Cucumber:4066] Cucumber vs, RSpec

2010-04-21 Thread Matt Wynne
Here's an idea relevant to this discussion that came up last week when I did a talk on Cucumber to ScotRUG. Paul Wilson was describing how he used to use Fit, back in the day, for testing at different levels in the stack rather than just for end- to-end tests. The idea was to surface the

Re: [rspec-users] [Cucumber:4066] Cucumber vs, RSpec

2010-04-20 Thread Mike Sassak
On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 2:33 PM, Ed Howland ed.howl...@gmail.com wrote: Please forgive the x-post. I just got back from the Great Lakes Ruby Bash. They had several good presentations, two specific to BDD and Cucumber. I also talked to several CEOs and devs afterwards, and the overall takeaway

Re: [rspec-users] [Cucumber:4066] Cucumber vs, RSpec

2010-04-20 Thread Robert Hanson
With Cucumber, you can't possibly specify tests for all the corner cases. That's what your rspecs (unit tests) are for. -Original Message- From: cu...@googlegroups.com [mailto:cu...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ed Howland Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 1:33 PM To: rspec-users;

Re: [rspec-users] [Cucumber:4066] Cucumber vs, RSpec

2010-04-20 Thread David Chelimsky
On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 2:05 PM, David Chelimsky dchelim...@gmail.com wrote: On Apr 20, 2010, at 1:57 PM, Mike Sassak wrote: On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 2:33 PM, Ed Howland ed.howl...@gmail.com wrote: Please forgive the x-post. I just got back from the Great Lakes Ruby Bash. They had several

Re: [rspec-users] [Cucumber:4066] Cucumber vs, RSpec

2010-04-20 Thread John Goodsen
Watch Ben Mabey's slides and talk at Ruby Conf on outside in development with Cucumber. It positions rspec and cucumber properly On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 3:58 PM, Joseph Wilk j...@josephwilk.net wrote: On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 8:05 PM, David Chelimsky dchelim...@gmail.com wrote: On Apr 20,

Re: [rspec-users] [Cucumber:4066] Cucumber vs, RSpec

2010-04-20 Thread Lucas Prim
For me, cukes acts more as an acceptance test that tells me when to stop the development and release a feature as rspec goes down to the internals of the app in order to make sure everything works ok. In this context, I think there is no magic recipe that tells you how much cucumber code you