[sage-devel] Re: Adjoint of a matrix

2010-12-02 Thread Rob Beezer
On Dec 2, 10:55 pm, Dima Pasechnik wrote: > But for "conjugate transpose" one can just introduce operator ^*, as > usually > the conjugate transpose of $A$ is denoted by $A^*$. Accepted notation is another can of worms. Conjugate-transpose can be an exponent that is a star, dagger or the letter

[sage-devel] Re: Adjoint of a matrix

2010-12-02 Thread Dima Pasechnik
Right, "adjoint" should mean "conjugate transpose", and not "classical adjoint/adjugate". But for "conjugate transpose" one can just introduce operator ^*, as usually the conjugate transpose of $A$ is denoted by $A^*$. Dunno how much Sage code this would break, though... Dmitrii On Dec 2, 12:47

[sage-devel] Re: Polymake/ Are the Sage polytope constructors (too) slow?

2010-12-02 Thread Dima Pasechnik
Jean-Philippe, if you feel adventurous, you might try using PPL with Sage, as Volker suggests. I understand that the basic functionality is already there. You can also develop a Cython interface to cddlib, to get Sage on par with Polymake in this regard. Dmitrii -- To post to this group, send a

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Buildbot - does not seem to get much use

2010-12-02 Thread Dan Drake
On Thu, 02 Dec 2010 at 06:28PM -0800, Robert Bradshaw wrote: > On this note: http://sage.math.washington.edu:21100/ticket/ Oooh, that's cool. I like the links on trac. Now I need to go and fix my patches that don't apply any more. Dan -- --- Dan Drake - http://mathsci.kaist.ac.kr/~drake --

[sage-devel] Re: Adjoint of a matrix

2010-12-02 Thread Rob Beezer
Planet Math page (below) says H. Eves (Elementary Matrix Theory, Dover publications, 1980) uses "tranjugate." Maybe that is the solution here. ;-) Thanks, Gonzalo, John and KDC - I continue to learn a lot from the collective knowledge here. I do not know the source of any of these terms, but he

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Buildbot - does not seem to get much use

2010-12-02 Thread Robert Bradshaw
On Thu, Dec 2, 2010 at 7:32 PM, kcrisman wrote: > > > On Dec 2, 10:08 pm, Robert Bradshaw > wrote: >> On Thu, Dec 2, 2010 at 7:00 PM, kcrisman wrote: >> >> >> > I completely agree. And with quick, automated feedback they can go and >> >> > take care of anything they missed rather than wait two w

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Adjoint of a matrix

2010-12-02 Thread Gonzalo Tornaria
On Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 12:59 AM, kcrisman wrote: >> Do you have a reference for this convention? I had never seen the word >> "adjugate" before. > > At least in an older edition of Lay's Linear Algebra book (fairly > widely used) uses this, and points out there is a "real" adjoint which > is not c

Re: [sage-devel] Could you please clarify terms of use for WolframAlpha

2010-12-02 Thread Tom Boothby
Query: why would we use wolfram alpha, when (for example) the University of Washington has a site license for mathematica? It would be more efficient, and take less work to write mathematica scripts to double-check our work, and ask William (or another UW person) to run the tests on a UW machine?

Re: [sage-devel] Re: how to make pdf reference from a single file

2010-12-02 Thread Mitesh Patel
On 11/30/2010 02:49 AM, John Cremona wrote: > On Mon, Nov 29, 2010 at 11:50 PM, John H Palmieri > wrote: >> On Nov 29, 2:24 pm, Niles wrote: >>> On Nov 29, 9:11 am, John Cremona wrote: >>> Can anyone tell me how to make just part of the pdf reference manual, specifically the part from

[sage-devel] Re: Buildbot - does not seem to get much use

2010-12-02 Thread kcrisman
On Dec 2, 10:08 pm, Robert Bradshaw wrote: > On Thu, Dec 2, 2010 at 7:00 PM, kcrisman wrote: > > >> > I completely agree. And with quick, automated feedback they can go and > >> > take care of anything they missed rather than wait two weeks and a > >> > release cycle later to see that some corn

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Buildbot - does not seem to get much use

2010-12-02 Thread Robert Bradshaw
On Thu, Dec 2, 2010 at 7:00 PM, kcrisman wrote: > >> > I completely agree. And with quick, automated feedback they can go and >> > take care of anything they missed rather than wait two weeks and a >> > release cycle later to see that some corner case was missed that >> > affected a doctest far aw

[sage-devel] Re: Buildbot - does not seem to get much use

2010-12-02 Thread kcrisman
> > I completely agree. And with quick, automated feedback they can go and > > take care of anything they missed rather than wait two weeks and a > > release cycle later to see that some corner case was missed that > > affected a doctest far away and now they need a tiny fix + rebase + > > context

[sage-devel] Re: Adjoint of a matrix

2010-12-02 Thread kcrisman
On Dec 2, 8:51 pm, Gonzalo Tornaria wrote: > On Thu, Dec 2, 2010 at 7:16 AM, John Cremona wrote: > > What you call the classical adjoint is really the adjugate.  That is > > abbreviated to adj, and since there is also an adjoint, it is a common > > error to call the adjugate the adjoint. > > Do

Re: [sage-devel] When is a test not a valid test?

2010-12-02 Thread David Kirkby
On 2 December 2010 18:20, Robert Bradshaw wrote: > On the topic of verifying tests, I think internal consistency checks > are much better, both pedagogically and for verifiability, than > external checks against other (perhaps inaccessible) systems. For > example, the statement above that checks

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Buildbot - does not seem to get much use

2010-12-02 Thread Robert Bradshaw
On Wed, Dec 1, 2010 at 9:57 AM, Robert Bradshaw wrote: > On Wed, Dec 1, 2010 at 9:40 AM, John Cremona wrote: >> On Wed, Dec 1, 2010 at 5:28 PM, pang wrote: >>> On 1 dic, 17:40, David Kirkby wrote: . But  for someone that regularly submits tickets, if they can't be bothered to test them

Re: [sage-devel] Adjoint of a matrix

2010-12-02 Thread Gonzalo Tornaria
On Thu, Dec 2, 2010 at 7:16 AM, John Cremona wrote: > What you call the classical adjoint is really the adjugate.  That is > abbreviated to adj, and since there is also an adjoint, it is a common > error to call the adjugate the adjoint. Do you have a reference for this convention? I had never se

[sage-devel] Re: Trac reviewing practice

2010-12-02 Thread Jason Grout
On 12/2/10 2:03 PM, Rob Beezer wrote: If you are looking for an easy ticket to review for practice, see http://trac.sagemath.org/sage_trac/ticket/10422 which is just a single-character change to the documentation. Rob I've added it to the "beginner" list: http://trac.sagemath.org/sage_trac

[sage-devel] Re: When is a test not a valid test?

2010-12-02 Thread kcrisman
To follow up my own thing, maybe it would be possible to write a spkg- check that tries to detect nose, exits gracefully if it's not there, and otherwise uses a system nose... though of course then one would be using the system Python... wouldn't one? - kcrisman -- To post to this group, send an

[sage-devel] Re: When is a test not a valid test?

2010-12-02 Thread kcrisman
On Dec 2, 1:46 pm, Jason Grout wrote: > On 12/2/10 12:42 PM, kcrisman wrote: > > > That said, maybe 'easy_install' is really as easy as ./sage -i nose > > from the internet, in which case I suppose one could have an spkg- > > check that relied on the internet... but that wouldn't be ideal, I > >

[sage-devel] Trac reviewing practice

2010-12-02 Thread Rob Beezer
If you are looking for an easy ticket to review for practice, see http://trac.sagemath.org/sage_trac/ticket/10422 which is just a single-character change to the documentation. Rob -- To post to this group, send an email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send an ema

[sage-devel] Re: Date list plot

2010-12-02 Thread akm
On Dec 1, 9:02 pm, Jason Grout wrote: > I've also filed a bug with >Sage:http://trac.sagemath.org/sage_trac/ticket/10365 > > I've filed an enhancement request with > Sage:http://trac.sagemath.org/sage_trac/ticket/10366 > Thanks for your help; those do work for me now. Thanks for filing those t

[sage-devel] Re: When is a test not a valid test?

2010-12-02 Thread Rob Beezer
On Dec 2, 10:20 am, Robert Bradshaw wrote: > On the topic of verifying tests, I think internal consistency checks > are much better, both pedagogically and for verifiability, than > external checks against other (perhaps inaccessible) systems. For > example, the statement above that checks a power

[sage-devel] Re: When is a test not a valid test?

2010-12-02 Thread Jason Grout
On 12/2/10 12:42 PM, kcrisman wrote: That said, maybe 'easy_install' is really as easy as ./sage -i nose from the internet, in which case I suppose one could have an spkg- check that relied on the internet... but that wouldn't be ideal, I think. But that would also prevent yet another spkg to

[sage-devel] Re: When is a test not a valid test?

2010-12-02 Thread kcrisman
> >> I suggested 'nose' was added a long time ago > > >>http://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel/browse_thread/thread/928632... > > >> the only person to reply (Robert Bradshaw) disagreed. > > I think there's a distinction between an spkg that people might find > useful to use with Sage, and an s

Re: [sage-devel] When is a test not a valid test?

2010-12-02 Thread Robert Bradshaw
On Wed, Dec 1, 2010 at 2:36 PM, William Stein wrote: > On Wed, Dec 1, 2010 at 2:25 PM, David Kirkby wrote: >>> I do think it would be good to start using nosetest >>> (http://somethingaboutorange.com/mrl/projects/nose/0.11.2/) to >>> automatically run all functions that start with "test_" in all

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Could you please clarify terms of use for WolframAlpha

2010-12-02 Thread David Kirkby
On 2 December 2010 16:31, RegB <2regburg...@earthlink.net> wrote: > Disclaimer; I am not a bar room lawyer, etc. > > I think this phrase may be key; > "...incidental results or small groups of results from Wolfram|Alpha > on non-commercial websites and blogs..." > It depends on one's working defini

[sage-devel] Re: Should notebook use a deport port of 8080 and not 8000?

2010-12-02 Thread Adam
> But its less clear there is an agreed alternative for HTTPSconnections. I suppose it is mostly by convention rather than an official port assignment. Default ports for HTTP and HTTPS are 80 and 443, respectively. Since non-root users usually cannot use the first 1024 ports, 8080 gets used for HT

[sage-devel] Re: Polymake/ Are the Sage polytope constructors (too) slow?

2010-12-02 Thread Volker Braun
My personal roadmap for Sage's Polyhedron class is: 1) wait until PPL is a standard spkg, see http://trac.sagemath.org/sage_trac/ticket/10039 Right now Sage is communicating with cddlib via virtual terminals by printing/parsing ascii text. This is obviously slow. The PPL Cython interface, which

[sage-devel] Re: Could you please clarify terms of use for WolframAlpha

2010-12-02 Thread RegB
Disclaimer; I am not a bar room lawyer, etc. I think this phrase may be key; "...incidental results or small groups of results from Wolfram|Alpha on non-commercial websites and blogs..." It depends on one's working definition of "small", maybe they are deliberately ambiguous here. "A dozen or so..

[sage-devel] Polymake/ Are the Sage polytope constructors (too) slow?

2010-12-02 Thread jplab
My message is in two parts. The first one is more about Polymake vs Sage. The second is about how polytopes are constructed in Sage. For a couple of weeks now, I need to work with polytopes and the Polyhedron class. I'm a student currently at Techniche Universität Berlin, so Polyma

[sage-devel] Re: Adjoint of a matrix

2010-12-02 Thread kcrisman
> For a complex square matrix the genuine  adjoint is denoted A^* and is > the conjugate transpose.  That is a special case of the adjoint of a > linear operator on an inner product space (in the case of C^n with the > standard inner product). That's what I thought, too. We should definitely chan

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Using Intel MKL

2010-12-02 Thread Mag Gam
Thanks. I will monitor this ticket an starting building it on my own. I will update you or the ticket if I have any problems. On Tue, Nov 30, 2010 at 10:41 AM, Volker Braun wrote: > It would be interesting to compare Intel MKL vs. AMD ACML vs. threaded > ATLAS. > > The most useful optimization r

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Should notebook use a deport port of 8080 and not 8000?

2010-12-02 Thread David Kirkby
On 1 December 2010 21:00, Adam wrote: > To provide a networking perspective of thing, 8080 would be an > expected and sensible default port for HTTP traffic.  If the server is > running HTTPS (i.e. notebook(secure=True)) then 8443 would be > expected.  The main issue I could see with changing the

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Should notebook use a deport port of 8080 and not 8000?

2010-12-02 Thread David Kirkby
On 1 December 2010 20:58, Adam wrote: > To provide a networking perspective of thing, 8080 would be an > expected and sensible default port for HTTP traffic.  If the server is > running HTTPS (i.e. notebook(secure=True)) then 8443 would be > expected.  The main issue I could see with changing the

Re: [sage-devel] Adjoint of a matrix

2010-12-02 Thread John Cremona
My opinion: What you call the classical adjoint is really the adjugate. That is abbreviated to adj, and since there is also an adjoint, it is a common error to call the adjugate the adjoint. I would not be surprised if there plenty of elementary linear algebra texts out there who describe adj(A)