[sage-devel] Re: size of a Sage install

2011-08-12 Thread Harald Schilly
FWIW, i just did a du -sch * on a recently built 4.7.1-rc2. The total is just 2.5G and the filesystem is ext3. devel: 1.1G, local: 1G. I have an additional idea. If you have a recent linux kernel and want to save space via the filesystem, you can try btrfs with its builtin compression. Just add

[sage-devel] Trac upgrade?

2011-08-12 Thread Keshav Kini
What do you all think about upgrading our Trac server? We're currently on Trac version 0.11.5, which is more than two years old. The entire 0.11.x series (which went up to 0.11.7) is now deprecated. The latest version is 0.12.2. -Keshav Join us in #sagemath on irc.freenode.net ! -- To p

[sage-devel] sagemath.org/ru/

2011-08-12 Thread v_2e
Hello! I tried to access the Sage Tutorial in Russain today and went to the http://sagemath.org/ru/ page for this purpose. There is a link "Documentation" on it which gives the following message: "Forbidden You don't have permission to access /ru/html/ on this server." So how can on

[sage-devel] SAGE_ATLAS_LIB question

2011-08-12 Thread Rita Morgan
I would like to compile sage so it can see our Intel MKL BLAS. During compilation has anyone successfully linked Intelś MKL with Sage? Here is how I would link http://software.intel.com/en-us/articles/intel-math-kernel-library-intel-mkl-for-linux-linking-applications-with-intel-mkl-version-100/

[sage-devel] proper way to recompile a spkg

2011-08-12 Thread Rita Morgan
I have a spkg I would like to recompile with different parameters, what is the recommended way of doing it? I usually do this: * untar the spkg * make my changes * recreate the spkg * sage -i newspkg Will this rebuild my dependencies because that would be the desired behavior. -- To post to thi

Re: [sage-devel] SAGE_ATLAS_LIB question

2011-08-12 Thread Francois Bissey
On Fri, 12 Aug 2011 05:45:43 Rita Morgan wrote: > I would like to compile sage so it can see our Intel MKL BLAS. > > During compilation has anyone successfully linked Intelś MKL with > Sage? > > Here is how I would link > http://software.intel.com/en-us/articles/intel-math-kernel-library-intel-mk

[sage-devel] Re: SAGE_ATLAS_LIB question

2011-08-12 Thread Volker Braun
Looks like intel uses a completely different naming scheme instead of liblapack.so / libcblas.so / libf77blas.so. Francois' suggestion of renaming the intel MKL libraries to something standard is a good one, though it might not work. Since intel already went through the trouble of renaming all

Re: [sage-devel] Digest for sage-devel@googlegroups.com - 23 Messages in 6 Topics

2011-08-12 Thread Ted Kosan
kcrisman wrote: >I was as mentioning Geogebra to a student today, and decided to see > what's up. > > In brief, a lot! So this is an FYI to the Sage community. People might interested in knowing that GeoGebra 4.0 uses the Java version of Reduce (http://reduce-algebra.sourceforge.net/) as its mai

Re: [sage-devel] Re: SAGE_ATLAS_LIB question

2011-08-12 Thread Francois Bissey
On Fri, 12 Aug 2011 06:05:22 Volker Braun wrote: > Looks like intel uses a completely different naming scheme instead > of liblapack.so / libcblas.so / libf77blas.so. Francois' suggestion of > renaming the intel MKL libraries to something standard is a good one, though > it might not work. Since in

[sage-devel] Re: Digest for sage-devel@googlegroups.com - 23 Messages in 6 Topics

2011-08-12 Thread Jason Grout
On 8/12/11 8:14 AM, Ted Kosan wrote: kcrisman wrote: I was as mentioning Geogebra to a student today, and decided to see what's up. In brief, a lot! So this is an FYI to the Sage community. People might interested in knowing that GeoGebra 4.0 uses the Java version of Reduce (http://reduce-al

[sage-devel] Re: proper way to recompile a spkg

2011-08-12 Thread Keshav Kini
I think you may need to do `sage -f newspkg`, for one thing, to get the modified spkg itself to get rebuilt/installed. As for dependencies, I am not aware of any dependency-tracking mechanism for SPKGs - am I missing something? If what you're installing is using Python's distutils to install a

[sage-devel] Re: Citing used Sage components automatically

2011-08-12 Thread Niels Ranosch
Hi, I just uploaded a few patches to sage-trac: http://trac.sagemath.org/sage_trac/ticket/3317 The design of this "new" citation system is - in short - the following: - "citable_items" holds citation information - "@cite" is the decorator to mark functions to be using a citable item - Collected

[sage-devel] Re: Geogebra 4 coming (uses JavaScript version of the Reduce CAS).

2011-08-12 Thread Ted Kosan
Jason wrote: >> People might interested in knowing that GeoGebra 4.0 uses the Java >> version of Reduce (http://reduce-algebra.sourceforge.net/) as its main >> CAS. >> >> The GeoGebra developers are also working on a JavaScript version of >> GeoGebra and a JavaScript version of Reduce has been cre

[sage-devel] Re: Digest for sage-devel@googlegroups.com - 23 Messages in 6 Topics

2011-08-12 Thread kcrisman
On Aug 12, 9:29 am, Jason Grout wrote: > On 8/12/11 8:14 AM, Ted Kosan wrote: > > > > > > > kcrisman wrote: > > >> I was as mentioning Geogebra to a student today, and decided to see > >> what's up. > > >> In brief, a lot! So this is an FYI to the Sage community. > > > People might interested in

[sage-devel] Re: Geogebra 4 coming (uses JavaScript version of the Reduce CAS).

2011-08-12 Thread Jason Grout
On 8/12/11 8:57 AM, Ted Kosan wrote: Jason wrote: People might interested in knowing that GeoGebra 4.0 uses the Java version of Reduce (http://reduce-algebra.sourceforge.net/) as its main CAS. The GeoGebra developers are also working on a JavaScript version of GeoGebra and a JavaScript version

[sage-devel] Re: Digest for sage-devel@googlegroups.com - 23 Messages in 6 Topics

2011-08-12 Thread Jason Grout
On 8/12/11 8:58 AM, kcrisman wrote: See alsohttp://www.geogebra.org/trac/wiki/Gsoc2011 for some of the long-range thinking - very interesting list of projects! That page lists Wolfram Alpha as a possible CAS backend. Perhaps the new Sage single-cell server would also be a good option! Jaso

Re: [sage-devel] Re: SAGE_ATLAS_LIB question

2011-08-12 Thread Volker Braun
On Friday, August 12, 2011 9:27:59 AM UTC-4, François wrote: > > \I think that's the only way that has a chance of working with a stock sage > and > sage's spkgs. If a simple rename of the libraries doesn't work one could build a stub library that translates the usual blas/lapack into intel MK

[sage-devel] Re: size of a Sage install

2011-08-12 Thread leif
On 12 Aug., 12:02, Harald Schilly wrote: > FWIW, i just did a du -sch * on a recently built 4.7.1-rc2. The total is > just 2.5G and the filesystem is ext3. devel: 1.1G, local: 1G. Which might change over time... ;-) > I have an additional idea. If you have a recent linux kernel and want to > sa

[sage-devel] Re: Trac upgrade?

2011-08-12 Thread leif
On 12 Aug., 13:00, Keshav Kini wrote: > What do you all think about upgrading our Trac server? We're currently on > Trac version 0.11.5, which is more than two years old. The entire 0.11.x > series (which went up to 0.11.7) is now deprecated. The latest version is > 0.12.2. Can you advertise some

[sage-devel] Re: proper way to recompile a spkg

2011-08-12 Thread leif
On 12 Aug., 14:51, Rita Morgan wrote: > I have a spkg I would like to recompile with different parameters, > what is the recommended way of doing it? Depends on what parameters you want to change. You can usually set CC, CFLAGS etc., and some packages recognize additional environment variables to

Re: [sage-devel] sagemath.org/ru/

2011-08-12 Thread William Stein
On Fri, Aug 12, 2011 at 5:03 AM, wrote: >  Hello! >  I tried to access the Sage Tutorial in Russain today and went to the > http://sagemath.org/ru/ page for this purpose. There is a link > "Documentation" on it which gives the following message: > >    "Forbidden >    You don't have permission to

[sage-devel] Re: proper way to recompile a spkg

2011-08-12 Thread leif
On 12 Aug., 18:50, leif wrote: > > env MAKE="make -n" SAGE_PARALLEL_SPKG_BUILD=yes make build | sed -n -e > 's/.*} //' -e 's/ 2>&1.*//p' > > which just prints the names of the spkgs that would get rebuilt / > reinstalled. Missed one superfluous line, use: env MAKE="make -n" SAGE_PARALLEL_SPKG_BU

[sage-devel] Re: sagemath.org/ru/

2011-08-12 Thread kcrisman
On Aug 12, 1:16 pm, William Stein wrote: > On Fri, Aug 12, 2011 at 5:03 AM,   wrote: > >  Hello! > >  I tried to access the Sage Tutorial in Russain today and went to the > >http://sagemath.org/ru/page for this purpose. There is a link > > "Documentation" on it which gives the following message:

[sage-devel] Re: sagemath.org/ru/

2011-08-12 Thread kcrisman
> > >  So how can one access the Russian Tutorial on sagemath.org? > > This was already merged! > Sorry, I misunderstood exactly what the problem was - though until 4.7.1 comes out, the tutorial won't be "public". Anyway, this explains why it's not available yet. > > >  And by the way, why isht

[sage-devel] Re: profiling Sage startup

2011-08-12 Thread Julian Rüth
I'm not sure if this discussion has been picked up in a different thread since February but the problem with zipimport seems to be that it can't load .so files. Since we have plenty of them, just loading the .py files from a zip file and the .so files from the file system might not be such a big

Re: [sage-devel] Re: profiling Sage startup

2011-08-12 Thread William Stein
On Fri, Aug 12, 2011 at 10:05 AM, Julian Rüth wrote: > I'm not sure if this discussion has been picked up in a different thread > since February but the problem with zipimport seems to be that it can't load > .so files. Since we have plenty of them, just loading the .py files from a > zip file and

[sage-devel] thematic tutorials

2011-08-12 Thread davidp
I think it should be easier to find the Thematic Tutorials (http:// sagemath.org/doc/thematic_tutorials/). I only learned about these tutorials by accident using Google. In fact, now that I look more closely at the Documentation page, http://sagemath.org/help.html#SageStandardDoc, I see there is

[sage-devel] Re: thematic tutorials

2011-08-12 Thread davidp
A "ticket", that is (not "trac"). On Aug 12, 11:35 am, davidp wrote: > I think it should be easier to find the Thematic Tutorials (http:// > sagemath.org/doc/thematic_tutorials/).  I only learned about these > tutorials by accident using Google. > > In fact, now that I look more closely at the Do

[sage-devel] Re: Trac upgrade?

2011-08-12 Thread Maarten Derickx
The biggest change I remember was that they now support multiple repositories, which might be interesting since we have multiple repositories -- To post to this group, send an email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to sage-devel+unsubscr...@googlegrou

Re: [sage-devel] Re: sagemath.org/ru/

2011-08-12 Thread v_2e
Hello! On Fri, 12 Aug 2011 10:53:12 -0700 (PDT) kcrisman wrote: > > Sorry, I misunderstood exactly what the problem was - though until > 4.7.1 comes out, the tutorial won't be "public". Anyway, this > explains why it's not available yet. > That clears the situation. I was a bit worried be

Re: [sage-devel] Re: sagemath.org/ru/

2011-08-12 Thread William Stein
On Fri, Aug 12, 2011 at 11:54 AM, wrote: >  Hello! > > On Fri, 12 Aug 2011 10:53:12 -0700 (PDT) > kcrisman wrote: > >> >> Sorry, I misunderstood exactly what the problem was - though until >> 4.7.1 comes out, the tutorial won't be "public".  Anyway, this >> explains why it's not available yet. >

[sage-devel] Re: thematic tutorials

2011-08-12 Thread davidp
I have communicated specific suggestions to the webmaster. I guess that's the appropriate way of dealing with this. On Aug 12, 11:36 am, davidp wrote: > A "ticket", that is (not "trac"). > > On Aug 12, 11:35 am, davidp wrote: > > > > > > > > > I think it should be easier to find the Thematic Tu

[sage-devel] build error in schroot+debootstrap

2011-08-12 Thread Jason B Hill
I'm wondering if anyone has any pointers on an error I'm getting. In a schroot+debootstrap environment using Ubuntu 10.04 x86_64, I can extract and run the binary of Sage 4.7 as root. I can also extract, build, and run sage from source as root. Both of these fail in the same way when I chown a bui

[sage-devel] Re: Trac upgrade?

2011-08-12 Thread Keshav Kini
Leif: good point, though I imagine you know more about that than me :) Full release notes are here: http://trac.edgewall.org/wiki/TracDev/ReleaseNotes/0.12 -Keshav Join us in #sagemath on irc.freenode.net ! -- To post to this group, send an email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com To unsubs

Re: [sage-devel] build error in schroot+debootstrap

2011-08-12 Thread Mike Hansen
On Fri, Aug 12, 2011 at 2:54 PM, Jason B Hill wrote: > RuntimeError: Unable to start gap because the command 'gap -r -b -p -T > -o G /opt/sage/data//extcode/gap/sage.g' failed. What if you do "sage -sh" and try to run "gap -r -b -p -T -o G /opt/sage/data//extcode/gap/sage.g" manually? Wh

Re: [sage-devel] build error in schroot+debootstrap

2011-08-12 Thread Jason B Hill
It actually doesn't appear to give an error then. Under both root and sageserver users in the chroot, I get the ... stuff + gap version + stuff ... 62+@&67542+@ngap> prompt. > What if you do "sage -sh" and try to run "gap -r -b -p -T -o G > /opt/sage/data//extcode/gap/sage.g" manually?  What

Re: [sage-devel] thematic tutorials

2011-08-12 Thread Minh Nguyen
Hi David, On Sat, Aug 13, 2011 at 4:35 AM, davidp wrote: > I think it should be easier to find the Thematic Tutorials (http:// > sagemath.org/doc/thematic_tutorials/). I only learned about these > tutorials by accident using Google. > > In fact, now that I look more closely at the Documentation

[sage-devel] Re: Trac upgrade?

2011-08-12 Thread leif
On 13 Aug., 00:09, Keshav Kini wrote: > Full release notes are > here:http://trac.edgewall.org/wiki/TracDev/ReleaseNotes/0.12 (Brief excerpt, personal highlights:) - *Editable* comments!1!!111! Yeah! (Wonder whether or when they'll support concurrent posting... :P ) - Wiki pages can now be ren

[sage-devel] Re: build error in schroot+debootstrap

2011-08-12 Thread leif
On 13 Aug., 00:24, Jason B Hill wrote: > It actually doesn't appear to give an error then. Under both root and > sageserver users in the chroot, I get the > > ... stuff + gap version + stuff ... 62+@&67542+@ngap> > > prompt. How about /dev/pts ? (/opt/sage/local/lib/python2.6/site-packages/sage/

[sage-devel] Re: build error in schroot+debootstrap

2011-08-12 Thread leif
On 13 Aug., 03:34, leif wrote: > On 13 Aug., 00:24, Jason B Hill wrote: > > > It actually doesn't appear to give an error then. Under both root and > > sageserver users in the chroot, I get the > > > ... stuff + gap version + stuff ... 62+@&67542+@ngap> > > > prompt. > > How about /dev/pts ? > >

[sage-devel] Re: Trac upgrade?

2011-08-12 Thread Keshav Kini
Minor correction - 0.12 was released on 2010-06-13; 0.12.2 was released on 2011-01-31 (see http://trac.edgewall.org/browser/tags ). -Keshav Join us in #sagemath on irc.freenode.net ! -- To post to this group, send an email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, sen