[sage-combinat-devel] combinat is not pep8 compliant

2014-10-31 Thread Frédéric Chapoton
Here is the result of running pep8 on the combinat folder : 35 E111 indentation is not a multiple of four 499 E201 whitespace after '(' 17 E202 whitespace before ')' 52 E203 whitespace before ':' 57 E221 multiple spaces before operator 16 E222 multiple spaces after

[sage-combinat-devel] Re: combinat is not pep8 compliant

2014-10-31 Thread Frédéric Chapoton
The same in increasing order of number of occurences [4 W601 .has_key() is deprecated, use 'in', '16 E222 multiple spaces after operator', 17 E202 whitespace before ')', '18 E301 expected 1 blank line, found 0', '18 E702 multiple statements on one line (semicolon)',

[sage-combinat-devel] Re: Sage grant

2014-10-31 Thread Nathann Cohen
Yo ! Does Math directorate pay for programmers to write open-source versions of commercial software? flame Of course not. It is just that when commercial softwares fail to do the job, we have to do it in their stead. And we cannot seriously expect them to implement what we need for our

[sage-combinat-devel] Re: [sage-devel] Re: Sage grant

2014-10-31 Thread Nathann Cohen
Yo ! Hey, just to make it clear: I am not supporting their grant request industry. I could not care less, and if anything I just hate to see that people use Sage (which includes some of my own work) to request solid money for themselves. I just did not want to let you have the last word

[sage-combinat-devel] Re: combinat is not pep8 compliant

2014-10-31 Thread Frédéric Chapoton
After ticket #17270, with a more modern pep8, one gets ['2 E122 continuation line missing indentation or outdented', 2 E123 closing bracket does not match indentation of opening bracket's line, '2 E703 statement ends with a semicolon', '4 E124 closing bracket does not

[sage-devel] Should we ship vanilla upstream tarballs or stripped-down ones?

2014-10-31 Thread Jean-Pierre Flori
Dear all, Should we go on stripping down upstream tarballs from stuff we don't use when there is some substantial gain? See http://trac.sagemath.org/ticket/17169 (GCC) and http://trac.sagemath.org/ticket/15015 (MPIR). We can debate forever on when the gain becomes substantial in comparison

Re: [sage-devel] Should we ship vanilla upstream tarballs or stripped-down ones?

2014-10-31 Thread Jeroen Demeyer
The following is just a statement, not an opinion: The new GCC spkg is 50MB larger than the old stripped-down one (86MB vs. 36MB) The largest packages currently in Sage are: 86MB gcc-4.9.2.tar.bz2 35MB sagenb-0.11.0.tar 30MB jmol-14.2.4_2014.08.03.tar.bz2 28MB r-3.1.1.tar.gz 16MB

Re: [sage-devel] Should we ship vanilla upstream tarballs or stripped-down ones?

2014-10-31 Thread Francois Bissey
I personally think we should stick with vanilla upstream as much as possible. There are currently two cases where sliming down the tarball is probably useful: * the latest gcc * gap - which is not in Jeroen’s list because it is already completely stripped down. You should check upstream size

[sage-devel] Re: Should we ship vanilla upstream tarballs or stripped-down ones?

2014-10-31 Thread Volker Braun
IMHO we should only modify upstream tarballs if we have to (e.g. strip out non-free parts). The upstream tarballs are cached, so its just a one-time download anyways. On Friday, October 31, 2014 9:54:56 AM UTC, Jean-Pierre Flori wrote: Dear all, Should we go on stripping down upstream

[sage-devel] Re: Sage grant

2014-10-31 Thread Nathann Cohen
Yo ! Does Math directorate pay for programmers to write open-source versions of commercial software? flame Of course not. It is just that when commercial softwares fail to do the job, we have to do it in their stead. And we cannot seriously expect them to implement what we need for our

[sage-devel] Re: Should we ship vanilla upstream tarballs or stripped-down ones?

2014-10-31 Thread Simon King
Hi Volker, On 2014-10-31, Volker Braun vbraun.n...@gmail.com wrote: --=_Part_1546_392576408.1414752441684 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 IMHO we should only modify upstream tarballs if we have to (e.g. strip out non-free parts). The upstream tarballs are cached, so its just a

[sage-devel] Re: Should we ship vanilla upstream tarballs or stripped-down ones?

2014-10-31 Thread kcrisman
IMHO we should only modify upstream tarballs if we have to (e.g. strip out non-free parts). The upstream tarballs are cached, so its just a one-time download anyways. There are people who have a very bad band-with. In my case, it's fine when I am at university. But other

[sage-devel] Re: Should we ship vanilla upstream tarballs or stripped-down ones?

2014-10-31 Thread Volker Braun
Oh come on, cry me a river. The average top-1000 web page is well over a megabyte nowadays. A one-time download of 50mb is a minor convenience at best. We are talking about the equivalent of maybe 30 page visits. On Friday, October 31, 2014 11:48:47 AM UTC, Simon King wrote: Hi Volker,

[sage-devel] Re: Should we ship vanilla upstream tarballs or stripped-down ones?

2014-10-31 Thread Travis Scrimshaw
However (local) caching is used in those cases as well, so it's only a pain the first time you visit a website. The router to where I work in my home setup is not shabby, but it's still took some 10 minutes to download GCC. For a while I thought something had stalled. 86 MB to 36 MB is a huge

Re: [sage-devel] Can We Trust Computer Algebra Systems?

2014-10-31 Thread Nathan Dunfield
How hard would it be to switch from the singular interface to the MAcualay2 one for the polynomial stuff? I believe Macaulay 2 also uses Singular for its basic polynomial stuff:

[sage-devel] Re: Sage grant

2014-10-31 Thread rjf
I looked at the NSF-OCI solicitation. Maybe I'm not seeing what you think is a target. I found this - Enable academic departments, disciplinary and cross-disciplinary units, or multi-organization consortia to renovate research facilities through the addition or augmentation of

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Sage grant

2014-10-31 Thread Nathann Cohen
Yo ! Hey, just to make it clear: I am not supporting their grant request industry. I could not care less, and if anything I just hate to see that people use Sage (which includes some of my own work) to request solid money for themselves. I just did not want to let you have the last word

[sage-devel] Re: Should we ship vanilla upstream tarballs or stripped-down ones?

2014-10-31 Thread Volker Braun
OMG you had to wait 10 minutes instead of 4 minutes On Friday, October 31, 2014 2:59:52 PM UTC, Travis Scrimshaw wrote: However (local) caching is used in those cases as well, so it's only a pain the first time you visit a website. The router to where I work in my home setup is not

Re: [sage-devel] Can We Trust Computer Algebra Systems?

2014-10-31 Thread mmarco
Thanks for the info. I didn't know that. Anyways, it seems that Macaulay2 only uses Singular-Factory and Singular-Libfac for a few functions (factor, gcd minimalprimes and irreduciblecharacteristicseries). So for all the other stuff, it would stil be useful to compare the results given by