Re: [sage-devel] What are we unable to do right now ?

2014-12-15 Thread 'Martin R' via sage-devel
> > My favorite example: Sage cannot solve x == sqrt(x): > > sage: solve(x == sqrt(x), x) > [x == sqrt(x)] > I'm not so sure whether this is really interesting, but since the discussion is there, FriCAS does the right thing here: (1) -> solve(x=sqrt(x), x) (1) [x= 1,x= 0]

Re: [sage-devel] What are we unable to do right now ?

2014-12-15 Thread Julien Puydt
Hi, Le 16/12/2014 01:20, rjf a écrit : Well, you could assert that there is no discussion, but you are apparently wrong. May I suggest you to square the equation then solve the obtained polynomial equation? (Then of course, since squaring is an implication, check that the obtained solutions

Re: [sage-devel] NTL updates

2014-12-15 Thread Victor Shoup
Thanks for the feedback. I don't know much about MPIR. I'm talking to some GMP developers. There is someone there who is planning on improving the situation there...at least, for the temporary memory allocations done by mpn-level routines in GMP, which is my main concern. On Monday, December 15, 2

Re: [sage-devel] What are we unable to do right now ?

2014-12-15 Thread Fredrik Johansson
On Tue, Dec 16, 2014 at 1:20 AM, rjf wrote: > > Well, you could assert that there is no discussion, but you are apparently > wrong. > sqrt has 2 values except at zero. (in the complex plane, or on the real > line). > > for example, sqrt(9) is the set {-3,3} . That is how it is extended. > and

Re: [sage-devel] Re: What are we unable to do right now ?

2014-12-15 Thread rjf
On Monday, December 15, 2014 11:44:25 AM UTC-8, William wrote: > > On Mon, Dec 15, 2014 at 11:34 AM, rjf > > wrote: > > >> William said ... There's no question that in say 200?, Microsoft > Windows support was > >> absolutely critical for widespread adoption of a piece of software in > >> a

Re: [sage-devel] What are we unable to do right now ?

2014-12-15 Thread rjf
Well, you could assert that there is no discussion, but you are apparently wrong. sqrt has 2 values except at zero. (in the complex plane, or on the real line). for example, sqrt(9) is the set {-3,3} . That is how it is extended. and sqrt(1) is {-1,1}. Is it true that 1 is equal to {-

Re: [sage-devel] NTL updates

2014-12-15 Thread Jeroen Demeyer
On 2014-12-15 20:15, Victor Shoup wrote: As I get closer to finishing this, I'm thinking more about gmp's lack of proper error handling, which is just like NTL's currently: print error message and call abort. No, MPIR (I haven't checked GMP, but I guess it's the same) is far worse. MPIR doesn't

Re: [sage-devel] What are we unable to do right now ?

2014-12-15 Thread Jeroen Demeyer
On 2014-12-15 20:47, rjf wrote: Maybe it's an appropriate response? No, it's not. Note that dividing both sides by sqrt(x) gives you sqrt(x)=1. So the solution is x=1 maybe. But x=0 is obviously a solution too. I think there is absolutely no discussion that the solution set of [sqrt(x) == x]

Re: [sage-devel] Ohloh/openhub.net

2014-12-15 Thread François Bissey
On Mon, 15 Dec 2014 12:53:25 kcrisman wrote: > https://www.openhub.net/p/sage > > What the heck happened in June 2013 that supposedly tripled our code size? > Is this the git conversion? I don't know but looking on github on the release page: https://github.com/sagemath/sage/releases?after=6.1.be

[sage-devel] Ohloh/openhub.net

2014-12-15 Thread kcrisman
https://www.openhub.net/p/sage What the heck happened in June 2013 that supposedly tripled our code size? Is this the git conversion? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "sage-devel" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from

Re: [sage-devel] Problems in installing sage 6.4.1 : Error installing package pynac-0.3.2

2014-12-15 Thread John H Palmieri
On Monday, December 15, 2014 11:20:10 AM UTC-8, François wrote: > > Installing sage as root are we? This is not supported. > Allow me to advertise http://trac.sagemath.org/ticket/17420. This should print a warning early in the build process if trying to build as root. Please review! John

Re: [sage-devel] What are we unable to do right now ?

2014-12-15 Thread rjf
On Friday, December 5, 2014 1:18:12 AM UTC-8, Jeroen Demeyer wrote: > > On 2014-12-05 08:17, Nathann Cohen wrote: > > In your past experiences (possibly when using Sage to teach in a > > classroom), in which areas do you think we are behind users' > expectations ? > I think the worst is symbo

Re: [sage-devel] Re: What are we unable to do right now ?

2014-12-15 Thread William Stein
On Mon, Dec 15, 2014 at 11:34 AM, rjf wrote: > > > On Friday, December 5, 2014 12:39:55 PM UTC-8, William wrote: >> >> On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 12:19 PM, maldun wrote: >> > What we still don't have is a working windows version. This is still a >> > big >> > blocker for being succesfull. >> >> I don

Re: [sage-devel] Re: What are we unable to do right now ?

2014-12-15 Thread rjf
On Friday, December 5, 2014 12:39:55 PM UTC-8, William wrote: > > On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 12:19 PM, maldun > > wrote: > > What we still don't have is a working windows version. This is still a > big > > blocker for being succesfull. > > I don't want to in any way discourage anybody from worki

Re: [sage-devel] Problems in installing sage 6.4.1 : Error installing package pynac-0.3.2

2014-12-15 Thread Francois Bissey
Installing sage as root are we? This is not supported. François > On 16/12/2014, at 05:18, Soomin Jeon wrote: > > I have problems in installing sage 6.4.1 using source, and the error message > is as below: > > Error instal

[sage-devel] NTL updates

2014-12-15 Thread Victor Shoup
I've just uploaded a bug-fix version of NTL (version 7.0.2) at www.shoup.net/ntl. Probably does not affect any Sage code, though. Also, I'm getting closer to finish my quixotic quest to make NTL exception safe. It is an interesting experience, as I'm learning how to make use of "modern" C++ idio

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Problems in installing sage 6.4.1 : Error installing package pynac-0.3.2

2014-12-15 Thread Soomin Jeon
So I attached the file 'pynac-0.3.2.log'. 2014. 12. 16. 오전 2:11에 "kcrisman" 님이 작성: > package: pynac-0.3.2 >> log file: /usr/local/sage-6.4.1/logs/pkgs/pynac-0.3.2.log >> >> > Without seeing this file (or at least the tail end of it) it will be > impossible to tell, probably. > > -- > You received

[sage-devel] Re: Problems in installing sage 6.4.1 : Error installing package pynac-0.3.2

2014-12-15 Thread kcrisman
> > package: pynac-0.3.2 > log file: /usr/local/sage-6.4.1/logs/pkgs/pynac-0.3.2.log > > Without seeing this file (or at least the tail end of it) it will be impossible to tell, probably. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "sage-devel" group. To unsub

[sage-devel] Problems in installing sage 6.4.1 : Error installing package pynac-0.3.2

2014-12-15 Thread Soomin Jeon
I have problems in installing sage 6.4.1 using source, and the error message is as below: Error installing package pynac-0.3.2 Please email sage-devel (

[sage-devel] Re: "Navigating Trac and Sage"

2014-12-15 Thread kcrisman
> > This will be more specificy than "trac sage keyword1 keyword2". Maybe we > should add a site-specific google search box to our trac front page? > >> Yes, please do! Amazingly, Google's search for Trac my inefficient way is way, way better than Google's search of Google groups threads even u

Re: [sage-devel] Confusing documentation in element.pyx

2014-12-15 Thread David Roe
The difference is in how cpdef functions interact with Cython vs Python classes. If you want to override a cpdef method in a *Python* subclass then you must use def (of course). But in a *Cython* subclass, you must use cpdef. If you accidentally use def instead in a Cython class then it doesn't

Re: [sage-devel] Re: How to make "view" open pdf-viewer in background

2014-12-15 Thread Nathann Cohen
Yop ! > thanks for your answer, however, I'm not sure it solves my problem: yes, it > is possible to change the viewer to something else, but for some reason the > viewer does not open in the background (as a process) but in the foreground. > So I can't continue with experimentation without closi

[sage-devel] Re: How to make "view" open pdf-viewer in background

2014-12-15 Thread 'Martin R' via sage-devel
Hi Nathann! thanks for your answer, however, I'm not sure it solves my problem: yes, it is possible to change the viewer to something else, but for some reason the viewer does not open in the background (as a process) but in the foreground. So I can't continue with experimentation without clo

[sage-devel] Re: How to make "view" open pdf-viewer in background

2014-12-15 Thread Volker Braun
I don't understand what your problem is. If xdg-open is being called then Sage is doing everything as it should. You might want to configure xdg (man xdg-settings) to open your preferred applications. On Monday, December 15, 2014 8:47:54 AM UTC+1, Martin R wrote: > > Hi there! > > I posted thi

[sage-devel] Re: How to make "view" open pdf-viewer in background

2014-12-15 Thread Nathann Cohen
Hello ! I have the following lines in my ~/.sage/init.sage file from sage.misc.viewer import viewer viewer.png_viewer('google-chrome') the viewer.pdf_viewer method will let you change the default pdf viewer in Sage. It is all there: http://www.sagemath.org/doc/reference/misc/sage/misc/viewer.h

[sage-devel] Re: Trouble in updating to 6.4.1

2014-12-15 Thread Kwankyu Lee
On Monday, December 15, 2014 2:26:59 PM UTC+9, Soomin Jeon wrote: > > I installed sage 5.9 last year and I found that sage 6.4.1 is released. > So I try to update the sage version 5.9 to 6.4.1 using the command 'sage > -upgrade', however, it just upgraded the sage version to 5.13. > If I want to